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U.S. House COVID-19 REPORT: The Lessons Learned and a Path Forward oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/12.04.2024-SSCP-FINAL-REPORT.pdf

2300 sats \ 16 comments \ @denlillaapan 4 Dec Politics_And_Law

OK, so the House released a 557-page report -- akin to the one after the financial Crisis -- and everyone's busy apologizing for---

...no, not at all. Everyone's busy throwing dirt at what they don't like. The other side of the partisan shit-show we call politics wrote its own goddamn report (blissfully only 61 pages) disagreeing with the majority one.

This is why we can never learn from history, let alone the present: insufficiently bright and insufficiently honest people disagree about what happened, and color their experiences through faulty lenses. When emotions and feelings and perspective fade over time (20 years or more), there's too much rubble on top of the broken piles to make heads and tails of anything, really.

So, then we keep fighting about what was, never learning, and thus never improving what is or what will be.

Pretty pathetic. What's so hard about admitting guilt? OK, guys, we got this wrong; we should have followed a Sweden approach, and we will never make these funding+authoritarian debacles shit ever again. End of.

Also, my pronouns are PROSECUTE/FAUCI.

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31 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 4 Dec

If this were truthful it would be a report on how valuable Covid was to evil people. Those in power learned just how far they can push people when they are fearful. They learned how many of the public will turn on their neighbours and even family. They learned just how gullible the masses are. Many valuable lessons for tyrannts.

69 sats \ 4 replies \ @Undisciplined 4 Dec

I'm all for prosecuting Fauci, but I'm even more for prosecuting every authoritarian governor and mayor who extra-judicially deprived people of their rights en masse.

41 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 4 Dec

100%

I remember during covid trying to explain to people that they should be mad at themselves first. Anyone who supports giving health departments in cities and states the kind of power they have should take note. These are monopolies that are largely unaccountable. They made often stupid choices that affected everyone.

In a free market we could still have certification and accountability but rather than some bureaucrat having the power to shut down a place of business the public could read reports / reviews and make up their own minds. That's what freedom is. Not having no choice. Or having the choice of jail or compliance.

97 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 4 Dec

For the first few weeks, at least where I lived, the pandemic response was an almost perfect illustration of how I would have described the ideal anarchist model.

Everyone was reading up on the issue and businesses were responding with their own measures to try and balance safety with remaining open. Some were requiring masks. Others were restricting shopper density, by having people wait outside. Most ramped up in store sanitation measures and installed protective dividers.

It was exactly why we would have told people that the government doesn't need to be in charge of this stuff. And then, of course, the government did get involved and made everything dramatically worse for everyone.

19 sats \ 1 reply \ @denlillaapan OP 4 Dec

truly.

STRAIGHT TO JAIL. No trial, no nothing... (oops!)

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 4 Dec

Seems fair, considering they put millions of people under house arrest with no trial and no nothing.

48 sats \ 3 replies \ @denlillaapan OP 4 Dec

Liz's run-down is pretty savage

200bn is about one-third of everything the Federal Gov spent since October. Insane to make that kind of honey pot.

50 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 4 Dec

When people tell me they care about the marginalized and that's why we need to government to take care of them I need to remember this stat.

Its bad enough that the state steals from us and does things with the money we don't approve of. But its worse. When they do try to do good things they piss much of it away and allow smart grifters to game the system as well!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @denlillaapan OP 4 Dec

pre-fucking-cisely! couldn't agree more -- you're not helping the marginalized by trying to use government (force)... to help the marginalized

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @we_can_supply_you 24 Dec

Shame that Trump did his best to stop the investigation of the fraud which resulted in one of the greatest thefts against taxpayers in US history.

https://www.pogo.org/investigations/the-great-pandemic-swindle-feds-botched-review-of-billions-in-suspect-ppp-loans

https://truthout.org/articles/trump-erased-millions-of-possible-ppp-fraud-flags-in-last-days-in-office/

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Akg10s3 4 Dec

557 Pages of meaningless excuses!! And that only generates contempt for the people who experienced firsthand what happened in 2020... while the politicians and the elite sit quietly in their mansions!!

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 5 Dec

And the cycle continues.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @xz 4 Dec

Ah, you guys over there had yourselves a little internal inquiry too. Procescution of Anthony Fauci is where it's at though.

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @Cje95 4 Dec

Just FYI this report hasn't been voted on and there are currently two reports one by the Republicans and one by the Dems.

As someone who liked Sweden's approach, it wasn't applicable to the US. In Sweden they had in the years prior set up a strategy for something like a pandemic and had both government apperadises and legal framework in place to be able to react. The US didn't have that which led to the wide array of responses.

The biggest difference that really really made Sweden unique was the average household size in Sweden in 2020 was by some numbers 1.8 to 2 people per household. Sweden has a large percentage of people who live on their own without roommate or partners. In the US that is far from the case which would limit the effectiveness of distancing like Sweden used.

425 sats \ 0 replies \ @denlillaapan OP 4 Dec

I know about the two reports, I linked both of them in the post above.

Of course it was applicable to the U.S. Exercise caution, leave people alone, provide them with sane, calm, sensible information, and let them weigh pros and cons for themselves.

Also, the U.S. is large and very diverse, perfectly capable of having varying response.

As a stupid European, my stupid European opinion might just be that (most) Americans are retarded

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Aardvark 4 Dec

These people are fucking clowns. Admitting fault would mean that they have any self awareness at all. I personally think they belive their own bullshit.