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I got the opportunity to speak with @vladquant, the founder of my favorite search engine, Kagi! You may remember him from his AMA in April #502409
You can listen on Fountain, YouTube, Apple, or Substack
Kagi is a Hacker News darling with a popular paid search engine (and an interesting philosophy on how to build better search than Google). Vlad and the team recently announced their intention to engage with and build for the Nostr community! We discuss ideas for how they can implement Nostr features as well a ton of other interesting topics, including:
  • Andy Weir’s The Egg as a model for reality
  • Vlad’s background as a physics student and early web & Wordpress developer
  • Was it inevitable for the web to centralize first before now (hopefully) re-wilding?
  • Why ads as a business model inevitably leads to low quality service for the user
  • Vlad’s manifesto: The Age of PageRank is Over
  • Kagi’s business philosophy: pay for the product or be the product
  • Do Larry and Sergey use ad blockers personally? 800M people do. Vlad would be shocked if they’re not among them
-Will people pay for search? 10s of millions pay for YouTube premium and search is arguably much more important
  • DKB’s article that blew up on Hacker News: Google Search is Dying
  • Workshopping Max’s thesis around building a “value rank” algorithm based on scarce bitcoin and nostr identity
  • Max explains the principles of Nostr and Vlad offers his initial reactions.
  • Max’s thesis that Nostr becomes the data/identity bridge layer between all kins of publishing clients (e.g. Twitter/X, Bluesky, etc.)
  • Ideas for what Kagi could build - e.g. embedded Nostr search in Kagi, a Lightning wallet in Orion, a beefy relay
  • Kagi’s collaboration with Stephen Wolfram and Wolfram Alpha
  • Vlad’s skepticism around “the singulairty”
  • Humanity has a ways to go to become a Type I civilization. This first wave of AI (LLMs) likely only gets us a small relative advancement
Thanks for having me Max, it was a pleasure.
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I was impressed when I tried kagi before. Hearing about potential nostr integrations made me flip to the pricing page and scratch my head on why I'm not signed up for the starter (an error which I'll correct tomorrow morning).
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Huge supporter of Kagi!
I've been using Kagi search and would say it really cuts out a lot of the junk that Google tends to promote.I was using Mojeek and Brave before, but Mojeek never seemed to provide what I wanted, and Brave requires a lot of keywords just to get close to what I'm looking for.
One more thing! Paying for search feels amazing it makes the results feel more relevant and meaningful to you. I'm excited to see how Kagi evolves.
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Hmm, is Kagi really that good? I tried it once and wasn't too happy with the results I was getting. I think I liked Google's results better. But maybe it's because i've gotten better at prompt-engineering Google's search bar.
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it's because i've gotten better at prompt-engineering Google's search bar.
Haha! Maybe this can be the case. But lot of people have told it's hard to ditch google, I'm trying alternatives for years like Gibiru, startpage, Mojeek, Brave so, it's fine for me.
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One of my colleagues swears by Kagi. At the same time, he despises Google with a passion, so he might be biased.
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Also, in Korea Naver is used more than Google.Naver has approximately 80% market share? But I've found it's only made for Koreans as English results are worst. But I like the blogs people write, knowledge encyclopedia, and current affairs.
So if you want better english results it's better to use Google, Kagi, Brave etc.
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You read Korean?
Yeah, Naver has the biggest market share.
There is a Korean alternative to every mainstream US app. US apps don't do very good here, usually.
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You read Korean?
I use translater
There is a Korean alternative to every mainstream US app. US apps don't do very good here, usually.
I've personally seen this too! Naver already has its own alternatives like Maps, payment, translate service, email, blog, encyclopedia, AI, News and list goes on..
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Curious as to why you'd bother reading Korean-sourced news unless you live in Korea...
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Curious as to why you'd bother reading Korean-sourced news unless you live in Korea...
I just love to learn different(world news) perspectives! I even browse browse Chinese and Russian websites too.
You get a lot to learn.
oh that's why you spread all your bullshit shitGPT posts here?
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Great news.
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