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Hardest / most convincing evidence on (lack of) 2020 USA election fraud?

331 sats \ 17 comments \ @orangecheckemail_isthereany 29 Oct Politics_And_Law

Lots of people in the Trump camp seem convinced that the 2020 election was "stolen". What is your opinion on this question?

What's the hardest evidence, or the most convincing evidence to you, on the topic of election fraud during the 2020 USA election?

I can distinguish 2 broad categories when thinking about this:

Mockingbird media suppressing relevant news on the one hand, and spreading mis, dis or mal-information on the other hand, to influence voting behaviour.
Outright fraud / falsification / meddling circumventing the way people actually voted.

The first is a form of info-war / "5th generation warfare" / psywar that might be looked at as a soft form of election interference. The second is good old-fashioned vote rigging.

What are your opinions on either of these? Did either happen? If so: was the impact significant or large enough to swing the election? What makes you conclude either way?

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72 sats \ 1 reply \ @Satosora 29 Oct

I think he just lost and didnt want to give up being president.

22 sats \ 0 replies \ @orangecheckemail_isthereany OP 29 Oct

Could you give a steel-manned version of what the folks "on the other side" are saying / arguing? What are some reasons / arguments or potential evidence you've heard from people who believe the election was rigged? Which, if any, of these arguments do you entertain as a possibility and why?

Or on the other hand, is there any strong evidence or reasoning pattern that suggests that the 2020 USA election could not have been rigged? USA 2020 elections did not use transparent block-chain voting afaik but do you think that tamper-evidency properties of a different kind nevertheless existed in the 2020 USA election to the point that we can be quite sure that everything happened "on the up and up"? If so what are some of the most convincing or trustworthy mechanisms that may achieve the property of tamper-evidency?

Do you have a clear opinion on the matter, and if so: What are some reasons, arguments or evidence that causes you to conclude one way or the other?

1052 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker 29 Oct

To this day, I found the real-time vote count charts for Wisconsin and Michigan suspicious.

Basically, Biden got a huge surge overnight in both states that put him up over Trump when he was tailing significantly before that.

The MSM claims that this is because heavily democrat counties were counted, explaining the surge.

But usually if a large county is counted, you'll see surges in both candidates' counts. The bump for Trump was extremely miniscule. So either those counties were like 90+% Biden or something fishy was going on.

Moreover, if this was a common occurrence, you'd see such surges in other states' voting patterns, but you don't. You should also see such surges in the vote count charts for MI and WI in previous election cycles, which I can't rule out but I've not seen.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 30 Oct

Trump was leading by 700k in Pennsylvania until 230 am Wednesday

142 sats \ 0 replies \ @jgbtc 29 Oct

What convinces me is the MSM and the left in general reaction to the Jan 6 riot. It's so over the top and disproportionate to what happened that day. They grabbed on to the "insurrection" claim so hard and still try to milk it, but it's such a weak claim it's ridiculous. Their overreaction makes it very easy to believe the whole thing was set up from the beginning to provide cover for election rigging.

42 sats \ 0 replies \ @Nuttall 29 Oct

All I know is that the revelations of so much nonsense came exactly at 2020 and from that point on I assume it's all an orchestrated play. A mumming play to be more specific.

But I've listen to Mark Passio, What on Earth is happening that started in 2010 and that makes me go back even further.

There's no excuse for the voting to be opaque. But the problem is that the media have been captured and lying to us about everything so even the truth cannot be trusted.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @nichro 30 Oct

I think the idea of a literal steal on election night is a red herring, to distract from the fact that the real steal happens over 4 years, every day and every hour ,via the media repeating what they want people to believe over and over.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @7e6e393a56 29 Oct

For me, both options happened. Traditional media has always been an established fourth power, and after the advent of social media, information is spread without any type of checking, influencing millions of voters. The American electoral system is very archaic and can easily be manipulated. Who really holds the power that dictates the rules of the game. Multi-billionaire people sponsoring political campaigns in exchange for what? haha

21 sats \ 8 replies \ @DarthCoin 29 Oct

But WHEN people will realize that THE WHOLE FUCKING system is a fraud?

I am fucking tired of posting this warning, that seems everybody is just ignoring it!

ARE YOU GUYS BEING RETARDED AND DON'T GET IT?

157 sats \ 7 replies \ @Murch 29 Oct

Every person has only 24h per day. We cannot be involved in every decision that affects our lives, nor would we as a society be able to decide anything if every single person were to speak on every single topic. You can of course pretend that decisions made by people outside your direct vicinity don’t affect your life if that’s your preference, but if other people decide to weigh in on societal processes by electing someone to represent their interests that’s outside of your self-sovereignty. A representative probably won’t always be exactly in line with your position on everything, and some representatives often fall short of their mandate, but in a functioning democracy they may still help achieve an outcome that benefits overall. Democracy is a messy process of compromises, but the alternative of sticking your head in the sand doesn’t seem all that appealing either.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @orangecheckemail_isthereany OP 29 Oct

I just wish there were some consent involved, and or the ability to opt out. That seems to me to be sorely lacking in what are called "democracies" today.

If people want to organize themselves using democratic processes that's just fine with me.

I just don't want them voting about what I am allowed to do when I'm not attacking anyone, or what me and my friends, acquaintances, trading partners etc are allowed to do on a mutually voluntary basis. Or voting about how much of my stuff they'll confiscate etc. Edited to add: Actually it's not the voting part that bothers me. People can vote all they like about what I cannot do or what I must do. The part that bothers me more is the part where they send guys with guns to threaten me, lock me up etc. if I do not comply with their commands. The threats of violence and the eventual initiation of violence on me is what bothers me about these "democratic" systems as I know them today.

I'm one of those peace-loving hippie types that might get called "far right extremist" by some lol.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 29 Oct

There's an opt out way...

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @orangecheckemail_isthereany OP 29 Oct

Interesting.

1 sat \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 29 Oct

Darth never post bullshit. Remember that. Even his memes have a meaning and a message.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 29 Oct

Not strong on fact based reasoned debate. Frequently defaults to childish memes.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 29 Oct

Democracy is a scam. 100%. And if you didn't realize it until now, then you are lost too.

By pointing out that voting is useless, is NOT sticking my head in the sand but taking it out of the sand and see the true world. Those who vote instead they are sticking their head into the sand because they do not want to know the truth and just pretend to go on with their miserable life as a shitizen voting.

If you want to be an obedient shitizen voting some meaningless politicians, so be it, stay in your slave cage, I don't mind. But do not try to impose those rules over me, the sovereign individual.

Those shitizens are voting because they (still) don't know WHO they are https://livingintheprivate.blogspot.com

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 29 Oct

What do you propose as a superior alternative to democracy?