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Hetzner (hosting company) soon to silently enforce Bitcoin software bantwitter.com/sethforprivacy/status/1572196300673765377
2114 sats \ 27 comments \ @sethforprivacy 20 Sep 2022 bitcoin
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708 sats \ 2 replies \ @sethforprivacy OP 20 Sep 2022
As you can see in the tweet, they are also abusing German privacy laws to attempt to silence critics (me) and suppress public discourse on their silent change to ToS.
Very despicable practices and telling of what will be coming. Will be more and more important to host your own node/services at home instead of relying on a hosting provider for anything related to Bitcoin, privacy, or self-sovereignty.
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130 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker 20 Sep 2022
Climate Catastrophism is the new religion and Bitcoin has been deemed by the High Priests a devil.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Zenul_Abidin 21 Jun 2024
Obligatory injunction to https://bitcoincleanup.com
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270 sats \ 4 replies \ @spookydub 20 Sep 2022
Is there some explanation to why they would do this? Incompatible with their pricing model?
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261 sats \ 3 replies \ @sethforprivacy OP 20 Sep 2022
The only explanation is in this screenshotted Reddit comment and the screenshotted email I posted:
Not clear why they're globally banning cryptocurrency software, especially when their ToS is only explicit about mining.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @spookydub 20 Sep 2022
Seems like they can only charge what they do because of under-utilization, where cryptocurrency usage can max out a VPS 24/7?
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42 sats \ 1 reply \ @sethforprivacy OP 20 Sep 2022
If you're not mining the only time you have heavy utilization is initial block download -- keeping a node in sync on Bitcoin, Monero, etc. is very much not resource intensive.
The other FOSS services I host are usually more resource intensive than any of the Bitcoin and Monero nodes once they've done the initial sync.
Plus, if you're paying for something and can't use it because you're using it too well, that's... insane?
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @spookydub 20 Sep 2022
Yeah agreed, I guess I don't understand what other rationale they would have to ostracize customers like that.
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242 sats \ 1 reply \ @cryptocoin 20 Sep 2022
I knew they (and most other) cloud and VPS hosting were banning mining, ... that's been the case for a decade even, ... but I didn't think simply running a node would be against their terms of service.
Lots of Core nodes and LN nodes are run on AWS, etc., and some are even on Hetzner. [I know, ... that's terrible for privacy and security, but I'm just stating facts.]
I wonder if this action by Hetzner was selective enforcement because it was a privacy coin (Monero)?
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247 sats \ 0 replies \ @sethforprivacy OP 21 Sep 2022
This actually has nothing to do with Monero specifically, the initial comment by Hetzner was in reference to Ethereum but they made sure it encompassed all cryptocurrency usage (including Bitcoin).
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100 sats \ 1 reply \ @faithandcredit 20 Sep 2022
How are ISPs remained so neutral? They dont deplatform or discriminate. What is the difference? What is being done right here?
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204 sats \ 0 replies \ @Lost_dogz 21 Sep 2022
Net neutrality. ISP's in the EU are not allowed by law to differentiate between different types of internet traffic. In the US things continue to change because Congress never passed any law on this and therefore the FCC devices. Trump's FCC appointee Ajit Pai effectively got rid of net neutrality in the US. Biden now trying to undo this
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100 sats \ 7 replies \ @2Fast2BCn 20 Sep 2022 freebie
I don't have an UPS and datacenter connectivity at home... Where should one move to...? Hetzner dedicated servers have been rock solid and cheap compared to the competition. So now we need a rating on crypto services friendly hosting?
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121 sats \ 0 replies \ @sethforprivacy OP 20 Sep 2022
I've switched my public services here:
https://joesdatacenter.com/
They are solid, cheaper than Hetzner, and accept Bitcoin for payments.
But really you should familiarize yourself with self-hosting whenever possible, UPS are cheap, home internet is plenty powerful enough for most use-cases, and there are lots of good pre-built and simplified ways to host services yourself.
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160 sats \ 2 replies \ @nerd2ninja 20 Sep 2022
Uninterrupted Power Supply https://www.amazon.com/Computer-Uninterruptible-Power-Supply-Units/b?ie=UTF8&node=764572
Why do you need datacenter connectivity? If you're looking for a static IP, you may try dynamic DNS providers: https://www.comparitech.com/net-admin/dynamic-dns-providers/
This is what it means to be decentralized my friend. We are built to stand when everyone fights us.
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242 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 21 Sep 2022
Why the need for a separate UPS? Isn't a laptop with its "integrated UPS" well enough?
For towers, I can understand. But wanted to mention that laptops are pretty useful in this case
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @2Fast2BCn 20 Sep 2022
The attack vector at home is larger then in the datacenter. I already host things at home as a hobby. I do not consider my node a hobby. I also prefer an European datacenter.
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794 sats \ 2 replies \ @deleted231216 20 Sep 2022
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150 sats \ 0 replies \ @zeRealSchlausKwab 21 Sep 2022
Was looking for this, have some sats
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50 sats \ 0 replies \ @deleted231216 22 Sep 2022
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135 sats \ 3 replies \ @nerd2ninja 20 Sep 2022
Imagine if Amazon made this policy decision
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15 sats \ 2 replies \ @sethforprivacy OP 20 Sep 2022
Won't be surprised if we see the same in the future, it seems this is becoming a more common sentiment.
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @nerd2ninja 20 Sep 2022
Bullish. Bitcoin shines when people try to attack it, and yet there is a particular shitcoin this would affect that I'm thinking of.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @shyfire 21 Sep 2022
Although Ethereum runs on AWS, would be surprised to see them ban crypto
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @leo 21 Sep 2022
Why would people use Hetzner? They don't even take Bitcoin. Use Namecheap, Lunanode or if it has to be in Germany, Hostinger, instead.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @bitcointerest 16 Oct 2022
Perhaps it's time someone figures out how to create decentralized hosting just like the idea portrayed in the hit series, Silicon Valley. Only decentralization can save the world from big brothers need to control everything.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @shyfire 21 Sep 2022
Lame
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