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Self Sovereign Identity, TBD, and Web5 developer.tbd.website/blog/ssi-tbd-web5/

770 sats \ 11 comments \ @kr 29 Aug 2022 bitcoin

1167 sats \ 8 replies \ @k00b 29 Aug 2022

As usual, the values of Web5 are incredibly compelling:

Existence. Users must have an independent existence. Control. Users must control their identities. Access. Users must have access to their own data. Transparency. Systems and algorithms must be transparent. Persistence. Identities must be long-lived. Portability. Information and services about identity must be transportable. Interoperability. Identities should be as widely usable as possible. Consent. Users must agree to the use of their identity. Minimalization. Disclosure of claims must be minimized. Protection. The rights of users must be protected.

But the standards list is long enough to be discouraging: https://developer.tbd.website/blog/ssi-tbd-web5/#standards-in-use

The developer experience for this ecosystem atm appears worse than Bitcoin's. It's not much of a surprise considering the "values" of web5 don't explicitly or implicitly consider the developer.

Perhaps it'll just take time but people are building on nostr today, because the developer experience is amazing. I can describe nostr in sentence: sign messages with schnorr and send them to a relay for storage. The complexity necessary for the SSI values can be built on top of that as needed.

101 sats \ 2 replies \ @DeezSats 29 Aug 2022

Not saying it's intentional but these extensive standards look like what the NSA did by infecting encryption implementations making them exceedingly complicated and hard to use. Like openvpn ikev2 https compared to wireguard

110 sats \ 1 reply \ @zazombie 30 Aug 2022

IKEv2 was a shitshow because it was designed like a telecoms protocol not because of any NSA conspiracy. Most telecos have control over both ends and want to spend as little on capital expenditures as possible so they put highly-configurable, complicated protocols in place that can be changed on either end.

Turns out that over the internet where your packets are going through middleboxes from different manufacturers that a complicated protocol will be half-implemented everywhere. Wireguard and QUIC both accept the reality that the internet is a "worse is better" system.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DeezSats 30 Aug 2022

An organization like the NSA does not get the benefit of the doubt. Do you know about operation ORCHESTRA?

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @mikhael 1 Sep 2022

The dev team has also been pretty slow. CSUWildcat, one of the leaders in the team, used to be a primary maintainer/employee of Microsoft and developed ION. However, the SSI community in general, is more academic than business focused. They have the right ideas... but their ability to execute on them is incredibly limited. Dorsey could make it work, by implementing VCs and DID's at scale through Cash app and Square though. I wouldn't underestimate the technology once they get their shit together, if they get it together.

While there are a lot of standards, the ultimate 'standard' of Web5, the verifiable credential as decentralized identifier, is ultimately just JSON. Easy to build around.

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @zazombie 30 Aug 2022

Web3 is super complicated but the developer experience is still pretty good. Just like nobody's writing web servers from scratch these days to serve a web site, a long list of standards is only weak if the tooling is week.

I like the values of the project but I'm not a fan of the branding and I think there needs to be some reasonably useful app to showcase its use to garner adoption at all.

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @mrbrownstone 30 Aug 2022

For brevity, I only included fifteen of the most prominent specifications comprising the foundations of the SSI stack in Web5. There are at least another half dozen either included or planned to be included in our software.

100 sats \ 1 reply \ @Annon 29 Aug 2022

Soo I ask the question is anything on web 5 n how's the development?? Sounds kinda like a too good to be true thing...or a wait till we see Dorsey do it..

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @mikhael 1 Sep 2022

Slow. But once it gets going, it can scale rapidly.

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @lawndough 29 Aug 2022 freebie

Love the concept of Web5 but agree with @k00b.

I feel like Alby or browser based wallets in general could be the stepping stone we need to get there. Users control their ID and are able to authorize who they give it to.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @BlokchainB 29 Aug 2022

Things under development

“ Among those are the Self Sovereign Identity SDK and Self Sovereign Identity Service (SSI SDK, and SSI Service), Decentralized Web Nodes (DWN), and Identity Wallets. At the time of writing, all of these components are under active development.”