Full disclosure I had a small holding of Reddit moons, earned through mostly shit posting and sarcastic/tongue in cheek comments.
Moons were a community token earned to members of the r/cryptocurrency subreddit Through a karma system.
Reddit announced that they were "sunsetting" community tokens citing regulatory compliance.
Long story short, the price of moons tanked as their use case just evaporated.
But, why's it good, lots of people got absolutely rekt with this you ask? Well... After another hard lesson learnt what I am seeing is many many many comments saying "f this, only BTC is safe from rugpulls" and they're right.
It's a very tough lesson but we just saw 6.9million members get rugged. Let's optimistically say half of those aren't bots. That's 3.45million people experiencing in some way, this rugpull by Reddit. (who you know got out before they made the announcement).
3.45mil people who just found out the hard way that bitcoin is the only option safe from being rugged.
Lessons are sometimes hard to swallow, but this one sure strengthened my resolve in BTC.
Reddit is a vestige of the 0% and low-interest rate world we all lived in up until early 2022. Same goes for lots of this crap that can only survive in a 0% rate environment. In such a reality, they need to centralize faster and extract more free labor, bomb the API bridges, develop more addictive algorithms, collect revenue with subscription payments, pop-ups and other abusive practices. Take, take, take, because they have to deliver quarterly to their own fiat overlords after an IPO, or worse, some fiat creation in the form of a wealthy individual buys it all and takes the thing private, willing to squander the money to satisfy megalomania, which is just a new version of the prior fiat creations buying ownership stakes in newspapers. It's all added too much distortion for me to deal with anymore. The SN and Nostr models are built around all that trouble of rates, closed-source, permissions, etc. They've impressively existed only in higher-rate environments and a bitcoin bear market.
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We need a catchy name for such companies. Like "Low-Rate Zombie Companies" or something, but that's not quite catchy enough.
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Yes. I think you got it. LRZs (low rate zombies).
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Did r/cryptocurrency actually take Moons seriously? Wasn't it just some playful thing where no one cared too much what happened to it?
I have no idea since I never hanged out there. But if they were taking it seriously, then they're bigger fools than I even thought.
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it became a farming circle jerk operation. it mainly served to enrich the mods of r/cryptocurrency since they were the main beneficiaries of the share payouts.
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Well, r/cc was such a cesspool that the only reason to visit it in the first place was to farm moons. Flicking through the posts and comments it seems like a lot of people lost a lot of money.
The sub will probably be higher quality for lack of spam incentives. It'll also be much more quiet, as with all alt-coin subs in a bear market (even r/Ethereum is pretty dead relative to r/Bitcoin).
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this is dogecoin's origin as well, then real life people got real life rich.
everyone wants to ride the wave of the "next bitcoin" to become fiat rich.
looking forward to the looks on everyone's faces when they realize the "next Bitcoin" is Bitcoin.
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I mean I wish I could share your view on being learning the hard way but I don't. I mean if SN rugged me it would not impact me in any way. Its just not enough money to make that kind of impression. I mean people make really dumb decisions financially all the time and they don't learn. On top of that posting on Reddit or SN for that matter isn't hard work. Its not a job. Its cool and I support SN users by zapping them. Its cool but its not like someone took my paycheck.
I've had my bank account locked up with more than three months income unavailable. That's how you learn a lesson. I'm glad you have learned but that's probably more about you than this event.
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I'm sorry to hear you've had that happen to your accounts. Like I mentioned I "earnt" these tokens for free and doing nothing of real value. And then they became worth something. So I cashed out, I got lucky. But I do understand your view on having this whole thing as a lesson in just how unsafe everything but BTC is.
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many new maxi bitcoiners may be born today :D
now seriously, thinking about it, maybe the community will find another use for the MOON token, maybe programming some kind of Reddit clone that uses moon token even in a better way. The tokens don't depend on Reddit.
I'm sure many users will leave Reddit and will search for better places, like... Stacker News ! :)
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I had considered posting in there and saying. Hey if you want to earn for posting in true V4V form. Come use SN... Then I asked myself, does SN really want some of them. SN wants BTC and BTC only stuff, but r/cc you'll find a lot of talk around shitcoins... I don't think the content found on r/cc is what SN intends it's site to look like.
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i wonder if the lntipbot still works in r/bitcoin. but not enough to actually check myself.
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yep, still works. 500 sat minimum
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I think that bot is how I found SN
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lol, really? did someone mention SN in the context of the bot?
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Just the ability to earn sats on a Reddit-like platform, IIRC
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why 500 sat minimum?
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might be a throttle on people using it too much. the bot probably doesn't scale that well.
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Thanks! Forgot I have quite a lot of sats on the tipping bot, gotta retrieve or use it!
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lol, no worries :)
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Oh, haha. Totally forgot. Stopped using Reddit when the blackouts happened. Forgot about my stack of moons.
Oh well.
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You might be able to get something for them. I had to send them to MEXC as CDC was encountering errors surprisingly to do with rate expired... Converted what I had to BTC and moved it to mutiny.
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Honestly the more time I spend here, the less drawn I am to Reddit and its subreddits. I love the genuineness here where people speak their minds unreservedly and share their experiences so openly
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This. This was why I was reluctant to suggest SN and it's V4V. I'm not sure the SN community wants anything to do with some of the toxicity of places like that.
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While those who earned them just had paper losses, those who bought them lol they're the real suckers, but yes regardless of how you got suckered into a honeypot, a rugpull is still a bitter reality to swallow, but theres always going to be a group that thinks this time is different and go back for a second/fifth rugging
Sadly we will still see many more of these, everyday someone new has enough clout or gets enough influencers to sell out so a pump and dump can happen and all those rugs also add up. We often don't see them because rugging 100k to 5 million doesn't make the headlines anymore or ever did, but they still happen.
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There were some amazing stories of people in Africa (if you believe any of it) where their moon stack was worth more than their paycheck and it was of real benefit to them. For those people I am happy and I hope they got enough out of it before it went tits up.
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The right lesson here is that moons where essentially unregistered securities (hence why they where citing regulatory compliance).
The wrong lesson is that all of crypto including Bitcoin falls into the same bucket.
It's good to see many comments understanding the difference but I suspect there's also many people that still don't understand the difference including the mainstream media.
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Absolutely. The amount of posts I see on r/cc about Eth or matic or sol or some other shitcoin... I don't think people really understand the difference between BTC and the other shit that calls themselves cryptocurrencies.
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Did people buy them? Or only earned?
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Both. I didn't see the point in buying so I didn't. But you could buy them on some exchanges and many people did.
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As Odell says (paraphrasing):
The ruggings will continue until people hold their own keys.
Sorry for those people that got fucked by a counter party. Dust yourself off, it's the perfect time of year to join the 'Children of the Corn' hahah
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Here's more about today's news about this via Laura Shin's Unchained website: author: Juan Aranovich

Reddit to Discontinue Community Points Citing Scalability and Regulatory Issues, Sparking Community Backlash

Posted October 17, 2023 at 5:54 pm EST.
Reddit has discontinued its Community Points program, a move that has led to a sharp drop in the value of associated tokens and ignited strong reactions from the community.
Initially unveiled in 2020, the program aimed to incentivize user engagement within select subreddits by awarding Ethereum-based tokens, MOON and BRICK, specific to the r/Cryptocurrency and r/FortniteBR subreddits, respectively.
Tim Rathschmidt, Reddit’s director of consumer and product communications, cited scalability issues and an evolving regulatory environment as the primary reasons for the phase-out. “The resourcing needed was unfortunately too high to justify,” Rathschmidt told TechCrunch, adding that the regulatory landscape has further complicated matters. The tokens, redeemable for various Reddit perks, were stored in Reddit’s Vault, a crypto wallet.
The market impact was immediate. MOON tokens plummeted by 84%, currently priced at $0.036, while BRICK tokens decreased 40%  and are now valued at $0.058.
The decision has not been well-received by the Reddit community. Pseudonymous users have expressed strong sentiments, with comments like “hope you made plenty of money with us, bastards,” “there are going to be some lawsuits here (…) a rug pull is not taken lightly” and “you guys crushed thousands of people’s dreams and fortune within seconds.”
Reddit initially used the Ethereum network for the Community Points program but transitioned to Arbitrum Nova in 2022 to mitigate high transaction fees and limited bandwidth. This move also proved ineffective for scaling the program.
Earlier this year, Reddit ended its coin system, which allowed users to purchase Gold and other currencies to award other users. The platform has since introduced the Contributor Program, which allows users to convert Reddit gold and karma into real currency.
While Reddit is moving away from blockchain-based rewards, the platform is still exploring other avenues for community governance and contributions. Rathschmidt emphasized that Reddit is investing in products that aim to achieve what the Community Points program initially sought but in a more scalable and understandable manner.
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