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Holy shit... it's like minimum US$200 for a 2TB drive... which is more than 250,000 sats by the instantaneous measure.

Yeah, great (/s). Fucking jpg wizards shit all over my fucking transaction ledger. This sucks.

Am I understand correctly, we could keep Liquid and abandon Lightning by reverting to pre-segwit? Maybe we should do that.

Imagine trying to uncle Jim for your poor town in middle of nowhere, with a minimum cost to Node of $200. That's not including the computer or the internet connection or the data transfer.

Just the diskdrive.

Meanwhile, coretards are advocating for "optional" bigger signatures.

F* this dystopia.

It's possible to separate a full archival node between your existing SSD (not 2tb) and a HDD (probably have one lying around). No real performance loss that I've noticed once ibd is complete which you already have.

Depends on your setup how easy this would be.

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in order to do this, I'd need somewhere to put all the blocks during IBD and then prune the SSD?

I still don't have any drives >1TB

but that's helpful to know.

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Raw block storage is on the HDD, they are sequential and don't need the benefit of the SSDs random I/O writing speed. The chainstate/ utxo set are on the SSD and this is where the speed is needed for validation.

No pruning needed. You can store on HDD and SSD < 1TB will handle everything else. Can even fit electrum server on the SSD as well in this scenario.

Even a 1TB SSD and a 1 TB HDD will allow you to work with what you have for longer and then by the time we need to get new hardware the hardware situation should look different.

I use proxmox and an ubuntu VM to achieve this. Claude helped a lot in working through the pain points.

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interesting. thanks for the pointers.. I'm not ready to take this project on, but at 85% disk fullness, I'm close to needing to accomplish this.

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You mean with:

blocksdir=/path/to/hdd

Put the blocks onto a slow hard drive and keep only the chainstate and the other small stuff on the fast SSD.

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Yes exactly

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liquid is a centralized shitcoin not bitcoin

op_return jpgs are pre-segwit, but also prunable from the utxo set

bigger issue is taproot, need to get rid of that worthless garbage

there's no need for a full 2TB archive though for personal use, just use pruned mode to whatever will fit comfy on your drive

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IMO hardware scaling is a more pressing concern than transaction throughput scaling, given current trends.

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I have been looking at 2TB drives as well. I don't want to prune, so it's something I'm going to have to deal with sooner or later (currently my 1TB drive is something like 85% full).

Would you feel differently if the chain was full monetary transactions?

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Would you feel differently if the chain was full monetary transactions?

presumably, we'd be far in the future to have a chain this size if that were the case.

I have been looking at 2TB drives as well.

found this today https://diskprices.com/

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Am I understand correctly, we could keep Liquid and abandon Lightning by reverting to pre-segwit?

Your are moron if you think that.

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Thanks, Darth. Super helpful.

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translation:

"consequences == defamation"

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morons never understand

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Prune it baby!

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If 2TB at $200 is the binding constraint, the cost-per-byte trajectory is actually working in your favor over a 5–10 year horizon — $/TB has been dropping ~12-15%/yr historically and 4TB NVMe is already <$300 in 2026. The pinch is real today but the chain growth curve and the storage curve aren't on a collision course; they're on roughly parallel tracks.

Two more practical angles worth weighing before going pre-segwit:

  1. Pruning is the actual answer for uncle-jim-class nodes. A pruned node at 5GB still validates every block, still enforces consensus, still serves your own wallet. You lose only the ability to serve historical blocks to peers. For 99% of "sovereign individual" use cases that's the right tradeoff and it makes the storage cost ~free.
  2. Reverting to pre-segwit doesn't shrink existing UTXOs, only new ones. So you'd still be carrying the historical witness data for every coin minted after 2017 — which is most of the supply. The political cost of a soft-fork-revert is enormous and the technical payoff per dollar of disk is small.

The signature-bloat-from-inscriptions critique stands on its own merits, but the upgrade-cost argument cuts weaker than it feels in the moment.