Really good deep-dive into pitching stats, starting with the (obvious) issue that wins no longer mean what they once did, and 300-game winners may be extinct. Worth a deep-dive if you're a baseball stat-head.
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Really good deep-dive into pitching stats, starting with the (obvious) issue that wins no longer mean what they once did, and 300-game winners may be extinct. Worth a deep-dive if you're a baseball stat-head.
We might need to move back to a more intuitive rather than analytical framework for assessing pitchers for the hall of fame. As crazy as it sounds, with starters pitching a lot less and bullpen becoming so important, hall of fame vibes might be more informative than stats.
I don't need to look at the stats I can tell you right now that Kershaw, Scherzer, Verlander, Cole are all hall of famers and Skubal and Skenes are younger guys on that track.
I think all those guys are obvious. Might need to use more of a hybrid approach when judging guys more on the bubble. A guy like Sale is an interesting case. I don't think he is a no brainer, I think in his case you need to look at advanced stats to see how dominant he has been rather than traditional stats like wins and innings pitched.
Yeah, much as I do appreciate the analytics, getting vibe-based voting back would be nice (we technically have it in the negative with folks like Bonds and Clemons, of course). No matter how good stats get, "intangibles" will always exist.
Agreed about Sale -- he's definitely an edge case, and it'll be interesting to see both how his career plays out, and how he's evaluated.
Good point with Bonds and Clemons. If we can vibe the negative, why not the positive.