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74 sats \ 11 replies \ @SimpleStacker OP 6 Jan \ parent \ on: [Book Review] The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy BooksAndArticles Politics_And_Law

Yes the book goes pretty deep into Christian evangelical Zionism

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0 sats \ 10 replies \ @kepford 6 Jan

Are there any revelations there?

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111 sats \ 9 replies \ @SimpleStacker OP 6 Jan

For me? Not really. It reinforces a lot of what I already thought, which is that Christian zionists are pretty naive about the issue, and maybe even their own theology.

The book does try to argue that the role of the Christian zionists shouldn't be overstated. Although they can be counted on to support Israel, they aren't the ones driving the policy at all.

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0 sats \ 4 replies \ @Bell_curve 7 Jan

If not Christian Zionists, then who is driving policy? Jewish donors?

Christian Zionists outnumber Jews 30 million to 6 million

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11 sats \ 3 replies \ @SimpleStacker OP 7 Jan

He gives a few reasons for why Christian Zionists don't really drive anything.

  1. They don't give as much money to this particular cause.
  2. They tend not to have as much influence in media/academia
  3. Their interests in foreign policy are diffuse and not very specific
  4. In the end, although they can be counted on to support Israel, it's not their primary area of political concern (vs things like abortion)
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bell_curve 7 Jan

In the post Dobbs world, abortion is no longer their number 1 priority

The book was written in 2006

reason 1 and 2 point to Jewish donors

Regarding media/academia, they have less influence today than 20 years ago

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11 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 7 Jan

Make no mistake. Abortion is still a big issue with the evangelical christian movement. It's just not as big as it was. Not a wedge.

The influence is AIPAC but evangelicals support politicians that support Israel. Believe me, even if one is not anti-Israel but just opposed to war or foreign aid they are castigated. Been that way for decades and is only changing because of how far Bibi has pushed his tactics.

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 7 Jan

Regarding abortion, what is the goal now? a national ban on abortion? not going to happen

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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @kepford 6 Jan

Pretty much my experience / observations / opinions. Thanks

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11 sats \ 2 replies \ @kepford 6 Jan

I was raised in their evangelical Zionism and deprogrammed myself. At first I just had questions and started asking. Was blown away by how weak and naive the responses were. Over the years I've experienced what Tucker did to that scum from Texas over and over again.

They aren't driving it. They are willful idiots

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44 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker OP 6 Jan

Was the zionist part of that a major emphasis?

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11 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 6 Jan

It was more of a fulfillment of prophetic end times events, not really political. But the message of "bless those that bless you" was often repeated to also mean modern nation state of Israel.

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