Let's have some fun education and support. We can open a periodic "beginner saloon" for anybody that have questions about "how to use that and that" or "I have a problem, how to fix it".
Ask your Bitcoin only questions, about apps, nodes, wallets, merchant solutions, protocols, issues, improvements, support with specific use cases etc.
Please keep it Bitcoin related and serious discussions about technology and not price and other bullshit.
I encourage everybody that knows the answers to those questions to get in and give support or a pertinent answer. If you are not sure that you will give a correct and pertinent answer, you better stay out and just read.
Don't be shy to ask questions, we know you are a noob and without knowledge in these things so we will just try to help you.
Your lack of understanding today, will cost you a fortune tomorrow.
Please do not zap hardly this post. Important is that people will start asking pertinent questions and they get their answers.
It looks like you might be on to something here, @DarthCoin 😀
few people realize that they can have and take advantage of free bitcoin support for a large variety of apps...
When I started mining, I used a bitcoin address associated with my Alby Hub node.
I didn't realize how long it would take to reach Ocean's minimum on-chain payout threshold and I assumed I'd be able to set up the lightning payments.
Alby has implemented bolt12 payments and you can sign messages with your node, but the signature doesn't work for setting up the bolt12 receipts from Ocean.
I'm certainly not desperate to receive those sats, I'm fine with waiting for the on-chain payout, but I am curious about why it's not working and if there's an easy fix.
Edit: Nice hat, btw. How'd you get that?
Be sure you have compatible peers in your backend LN node. Maybe you are trying a bolt12 through a peer that doesn't support it. Not all nodes support it.
That's interesting. Alby posted a guide specifically for receiving payments from Ocean and they did not include Alby Hub as one of the signers that would work.
https://getalby.com/blog/how-to-earn-bitcoin-mining-rewards-from-ocean-with-alby-hub
That's not a problem
If I recall you need to sign on chain. I don't recall the exact details, but I needed to use electrum.
Right, but I don't know why that can't be done with Alby Hub. I have an on-chain wallet associated with my node.
I had the same problem. You can't sign with that type of wallet. I can't explain why. I created an electrum on chain wallet, then signed the transaction.
It sounds like it's technically possible but difficult and not a priority.
I remember you said you run a CLN node. Did you tried with that one using Zeus ?
I use Zeus now with it for remote management, spending, etc, but I didn't sign the initial transaction with it.
Good news: soon Zeus will introduce sub-accounts and NWC server...
Yes, self-hosted. The backend is LDK.
OK, so you can generate the bolt12 offer but you cannot sign the message with Ocean? I think is a separate thing, read here.
You need to check if your node has the ability to sign a msg with an specific address (the one you use in ocean), I don't know if albyhub support that:
lncli wallet addresses signmessage --address <YOUR_OCEAN_BITCOIN_ADDRESS> --msg <PASTE_UNSIGNED_MESSAGE_HERE>```Look into this: https://github.com/getAlby/hub/issues/162
Thanks, if I'm reading that correctly, it's not currently supported and not a priority.
Indeed, so... I research a little and LDK doesn't have that feature :( ... you could try to use the seed with other software in order to obtain the address (derivation paths) and have the feature to sign messages, long shoot and I have no idea how to do it, but that's the path I would follow if I am in the same situation that you.
That's what I'm wondering but I didn't know how to check.
Yes, I've gone through those steps. Alby Hub isn't one of the signing options, though.
I think you can use any other external wallet to sign to Ocean, not really necessary to sign with the same Alby backend. Is practically signing a configuration message, not the payouts (that goes to your bolt12 offer).
From this guide: https://getalby.com/blog/how-to-earn-bitcoin-mining-rewards-from-ocean-with-alby-hub
This is the way to go if you start from scratch, in case you already have some sat pointing to an address from you couldn't sign, you can wait until reach the min amount to withdraw, or focus in see how could you sign with an specific address from your backend node.
Next time, sign with an address you can control (sparrow is a good default) and as darth said, the bolt12 invoices is from one part of the process and is independent of the address.
This was basically my plan going forward.
Yo tengo preguntas, y realmente estoy leyendo GuÃa para principiantes, aunque solo cuando tengo conexión cuando tenemos electricidad. He visto tiendas incluso aquà en SN de sat pero cómo calcular las ganancias para comprar en satoshis? .
bitcoin es cash / dinero en efectivo. nada mas. No hay que calcular ninguna ganancia.
Entonces los satoshis que se ganan nunca llegan a un Bitcoin? Cómo se pueden obtener más sat ? Por favor tenme paciencia siempre
Gastar menos de lo que ganas.
👌 Gracias, es como llenar un frasco de monedas,
algo asi
You think Wasabi Wallet is worth learning? I noticed your guides focus mainly on building a payments infrastructure that anonymizes through Lightning rather than fuddling about with mixers.
If you want to pay exorbitant fees in coinjoining, go ahead, but is totally useless in the LN era. Coinjoins were a thing BEFORE 2018 when LN didn't existed. Nowadays are just a way of extorting sats from clueless losers.
@DarthCoin does not use Bitcoin wallet on Stacker News. @DarthCoin is deliberately boycotting BTC MoE on Stacker News. Boycott @DarthCoin as long as he maintains this gross hypocrisy.
What do you recommend as best security practice for an individual hodler (who may want to pass bitcoin down to dependents) to maintain self custody while also avoiding catastrophic risk (like someone getting access to your private keys and draining your entire stack)
save the 12/24 words seed into many different places that nobody knows about. Keep it simple.
We have a nice and funny experiment here, remember? #1260936
También deberÃan pagar por leer en está plataforma, veo el contenido de tú biografÃa y es enorme, y no creo que quiera responder a todo, sino simplemente leer. Creo que si uno leyera más, preguntarÃa menos, o al menos no preguntas tan obvias, bueno debo trabajar porque Bitcoin es caro, y la vida no vale nada pero hay que vivirla.
como te sentirias si alguien te va a pedir que les pagues para usar tus productos que los produces tu (lo que sea en tu trabajo). O que tu jefe del trabajo te pide que le pagues a el por dejarte a trabajar.
esto es una tonteria, una shitcoineria. Sacate de la cabeza esta idiotez.
No 😂 , si ya soy trabajadora social,
HFSP El comunismo te ha comido el cerebro
a veces, incluso literalmente... especialmente en el empobrecido sur global; pero también está llegando al norte global;
es lo que es; ¿Bitcoin soluciona esto?
Estoy de acuerdo,
Tienes razón,vivo en el peor de ellos 🤣🤣🤣
Does WoS support NWC?
As far I know, no, it doesn't use NWC. But you should stay away from it. You have many other good NWC options.
I'm using Coinos rn, but I´m looking for better connected wallets and more stables as well, Coinos fails too much lately. maybe I'll try to switch to Phoenix, only that my channel is small and I guess it will be a problem.
Phoenix may be quite pricey for ur situation (esp. high send fees); it's more for people who don't have patience or need a high success rate of large transactions; Rizful is a great option for now, with a reliable trustworthy team;
Look into Rizful, if you still don't want to run your own LN node. You have two options with Rizful:
They have very good documentation page with multiple use cases. You can even have this Rizful node as a funding source with NWC for a LNbits or BTCpay server, where you can do more things, including your own LN address domain and multiple NWC accounts
Cool initiative Darth
I’ll circle back with a question about the dumb thing I did that’s keeping me from receiving lightning payments from Ocean.
Can you point to that question or post it here again?
Yeah, I’ll put it in a new comment later
Judging by all the posts asking questions, I'm guessing this saloon is gonna be dead all the time.
I am trying... is the last chance.
Many people today still do not comprehend the giant opportunity of these "free support" and they are focused only on how to get rich in fiat. LOL they even pay for "trading courses" and "signals" but they will never get serious in learning how to use Bitcoin.
Why is your way always the only right way? I've observed your behavior around here and noticed this. Sometimes you seem arrogant and always want to be right. This isn't an insult, it's just criticism.
You better read this before judging my SN behavior: #147162
Calm down, Darth. Bitcoin can save the world, but it can't save arrogant people.
See? You came here to question me but you do not ask any pertinent question about how to use Bitcoin. Who is more arrogant now?
I offered my bitcoin knowledge for free, for years. Yet people like you prefer to call me all kind of things.
Because knowledge is power. During many years I just accumulated more knowledge, that's all. Meanwhile many of you were just playing with shitcoins...
My arrogance is with all shitcoiners and dumb people that do not want to learn and because I am the closest to the truth than many.
Truth is not absolute, indeed, but who is getting on the closest frequency of it, tend to be right or closer to the reality.
I also have high morals in life and that offers me a very different perspective about how a Bitcoin world could be. Thing that a fiat maxi will never be able to see it.
I don't want to be right. I say it many times here and is because sometimes I foresee the world in the future and is not so pretty... That's why sometimes I do not express all my thoughts in public, I am afraid to be right.
when you know more things, you can afford to be arrogant.
show us ur work, little boy;