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113 sats \ 4 replies \ @k00b 19h
GPAs effect future placement, public schools become competitive with private schools, private schools are incentivized to differentiate and do so on placement, public schools change to meet expectations.
That’s what I’ve always imagined.
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213 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker 19h
Yes, it's kind of like a prisoner's dilemma / race to the bottom, (see my first point here: #1286911)
However, that would naturally lead to the question of why grade inflation doesn't cause a university's reputation to suffer. So that's my second point, I think reputation is a lot more weighted towards upfront selectivity than difficulty of coursework. In other words, reputation is based on selection of innate talent now, rather than the value-add of the coursework itself.
A third point is that the fiatization of the economy may have led the Cantillon effect to be more important. And thus selectivity on pedigree has become more important than classwork as well.
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169 sats \ 0 replies \ @Scoresby OP 19h
This is what it feels like. It's not about quality of education or evidence of great alumni...the only time you hear someone say what school a person went to is when the school makes a big deal of it.
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45 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 17h
But SAT and other standardized tests should account for differences in school quality. Not all A's are created equal which is why the Texas rule admitting the top 10 percent from all high schools into UT is absurd
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 18m
Very few publics schools are competitive with private schools and most of those 'public' schools are charter or magnet
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247 sats \ 5 replies \ @denlillaapan 15h
Everybody knows Americans are so much smarter these days
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11 sats \ 4 replies \ @BlokchainB 13h
This is my take haha
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Bell_curve 20m
Actually Steven Pinker has taught the same Cognitive Psychology class at Harvard for over 20 years and he has noticed a decline in aptitude... the median test score is 10 points lower than 20 years ago
Pinker says part of it is that students are reading less especially books. A second factor is the lack of hand note taking. Writinig by hand increases memory and retention vs typing on a laptop
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11 sats \ 2 replies \ @SimpleStacker 18m
Did he actually give out lower grades though?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 3m
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 17m
No
Grading is based on a curve and other political factors
Edit: I bet if you email him he will respond
He explained this to Bill Maher on Real Time, I will try to find the clip
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67 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker 19h
My first thought was: there's almost no incentive to give a student a bad grade. Institutions want their students to do well in the marketplace, and giving bad grades doesn't accomplish that. The only downside to bad grades is that your institution's reputation might suffer in the long run if you graduate bad students, but it's not clear who within the university is properly incentivized to think about those long term consequences.
My second thought was: nowadays the bigger reputation signal of a university's quality is how selective they are in admissions, and not what they actually teach the students. There's data showing that over this time period, average SAT scores became much more correlated with ranking, suggesting that students are more and more sorted by talent at the entry point. If university reputation is based on selectivity up front, then grades out the door matter less. The increase in selectivity is likely due to the increasingly national/global nature of universities, as well as the increase in demand for them.
A third idea is that selection on pedigree has become more important. That is, select students who have a good family / network. This may be especially important in a fiatized world where the Cantillon effect dominates resource allocation. Another way to say this is, who you know has become more important than what you know, which again makes coursework less important, reputation-wise.
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11 sats \ 1 reply \ @anon 14h
After the ruling of Brown v. Board of Education in 1954, which invalidated segregated-schooling laws, school segregation took de facto form. School segregation declined rapidly during the late 1960s and early 1970s as the government became strict on schools' plans to combat segregation more effectively as a result of Green v. County School Board of New Kent County.[2] Voluntary segregation by income appears to have increased since 1990.[excerpt from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_segregation_in_the_United_States]
"Limited evidence on school economic segregation makes documenting trends
difficult, but students appear to be more segregated by income across
schools and districts today than in 1990"
[Reardon & Owens (2014) https://sci-hub.st/10.1146/annurev-soc-071913-043152]
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 19m
What's your point?
Black schools are subpar because black teachers and students are subpar?
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