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What if Bitcoin is for criminals?

I have been listening to old episodes of Bitcoin Uncensored lately, and one of the things that Junseth repeatedly says is:
People will iterate Bitcoin up to the point it provides regulatory arbitrage and no further
Unless I'm mistaken, he's saying that the main reason Bitcoin exists is to help people get around laws. We spend so much time defending ourselves against FUD like "Bitcoin is only used by criminals" and "It's just for money laundering" that we forget what it is that Bitcoin actually does: it eliminates the need for trusted third parties in the monetary system.
What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust, allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted third party. Whitepaper
All this sounds nice and tame unless you really think about it. "Transact directly" means no one is in the way to stop you -- no one can stop you. That's the innovation of Bitcoin: every part of it is in service of this use-case.

Bitcoin is valuable because people want it. But why do people want it?

It is good, sometimes, to ask the question "Why does anyone want bitcoin anyway?"
The most common answer is probably because people want to make money. But that doesn't tell us much. Money isn't valuable just because it people say it's money. It's valuable because people want it. But why should people want it? What is it useful for?
Well, because there are only 21 million bitcoins. Nobody can make more bitcoin. Given the $38 trillion dollar US national debt, this does seem like a useful quality; inflation sucks and central bank monetary policy often seems a little whimsical.
On the surface, I'm sure a government could promise to limit the supply of whatever currency they control...but they just never seem to be able to keep their promise.
And that's the problem: you have to take their word for it. Even if they aren't printing new dollars today, you don't have any way to know if they will print more dollars tomorrow.

But how do we know no one can change Bitcoin's 21 million supply cap?

It's in the code. The function that determines how the block reward halving works also sets the limit on Bitcoin's supply. Unchained has a very nice explainer if you want to learn more about it. But the function is simple enough that even a non-developer like me can understand it. Even better, I can download a program, run it on my laptop, and type one command that will verify the total supply of bitcoin at that exact moment. The code is pretty cool.

And how do we know the code won't change?

Bitcoin has had a number of forks, the consensus code has changed. What makes us so sure a government won't try to force their own change on the code (or that users won't decide to increase supply)?
Unlike any other money on Earth, you can verify the rules of Bitcoin (which is to say you can verify the consensus code) every time you receive a coin.
When someone offers to pay you Bitcoin and you use your own node to verify the transaction in which they send coins to you, you are enforcing the 21 million supply cap and all the other consensus rules of Bitcoin. You can choose to reject the payment if your node doesn't recognize it as following the rules.
So this is how we know the code won't change: it won't change as long as you won't change it.
But is that really why Bitcoin has value?
Running a program on your computer does not seem like it would be very valuable to anyone else.

Proof of work makes a program running on one computer valuable to other people

Another one of the rules of Bitcoin is that when your node learns about a new block, it must check to see if this block's header has enough proof of work to meet the current network difficulty target.
This rule may seem like it's not relevant to anything else I've been saying, but it creates the wonderful property that as long as at least half the mining power in the world is not working together to censor you, you have a good chance of getting your transaction included in a block.
This is because anyone on Earth who has access to energy and mining equipment can attempt to mine the next block. The only rule is that they need to find a transaction header that will double hash to a number that meets the difficulty target. And if they do this, they get to pick the transactions that will go in their block and everyone else probably should accept that block and start building on top of it if they don't want to be left behind and waste their own hash power.
So if the existing miners refuse to mine certain kinds of transactions, the people who want to make those transactions can offer higher and higher fees until some miner decides to include them in a block.
And this is why Bitcoin is censorship resistant: because you can offer to pay anyone on earth to mine your transaction and anyone on earth can decide it is worth it to do so; and you can enforce this dynamic every time you accept bitcoin in trade by making sure that the coins you are accepting have been included in a block in the chain with the most weight. This is the great innovation of Bitcoin.

Bitcoin gives you the option to break the law

In a recent talk, Matt Corallo shared this thing his friend said:
Bitcoin simply doesn't work unless there's sufficient demand for censorship-resistant transactions in the world.
If only a very few people want the option to break the law, if only a few people want censorship resistant money, it is unlikely this project works. This is because miners only get paid in bitcoin and that bitcoin is only valuable if people will accept it in trade and the only reason you might accept bitcoin instead of any other money is because it has this quality of being a peer to peer money with no trusted third parties -- which is to say, it is censorship resistant.
Satoshi came up with a system for aligning incentives so that we can route around people who try to censor transactions or control the rules of Bitcoin. All the rules of Bitcoin are dependent on this system -- if it doesn't work, all the other things we like about Bitcoin can trivially be altered.
So beware (or be less concerned about what the state will prohibit): Bitcoin is black market money and it is already illegal -- your government just hasn't realized it yet.
I've been reading Cryptoeconomics again, and this is an attempt to work through some of the ideas in the chapter called "Value Proposition" which I am copying below.

Cryptoeconomics: Value Proposition

The value of Bitcoin over its alternatives derives directly from removing the state from control over both monetary supply and transaction censorship. Advantages include freedom from seigniorage, foreign exchange controls, and financial surveillance. These allow the money to be transferred to any person, in any place, at any time, without need for third party permission.
These advantages represent cost reduction through the avoidance of tax. Seigniorage is directly a tax, while foreign exchange controls limit its evasion. The state itself often claims political independence as an objective in the interest of limiting this taxing power. Financial surveillance limits tax evasion more generally. While Bitcoin cannot eliminate tax, or even necessarily reduce total takings, it represents a change in the nature of taxation. In any case, for those who consider the state a social good, the option to voluntarily fund it remains.
It would be an error to assume these advantages flow from the existence of a more efficient technology than employed by monopoly monies. The technology is far less efficient, yet it helps people resist state controls. It is this resistance that provides the value.
200 sats \ 1 reply \ @DannyM 7h
Bitcoin comes from the cypherpunk movement, which was basically a group of autists who actually understood cryptography, and understood that privacy is the most important human right. PERIOD.
They also understood that for the first time in history they didn't have to ask for permission to build anything. Code spreads faster than any speech in history, and is harder to censor than any speech in history.
Code = speech but with actual teeth because once its deployed on enough nodes good fucking luck stopping it.
Governments can ban it, governments can put certain individuals in jail, or murder them, but they can't stop the movement.
Cypherpunks understood something normies still dont get: cryptography fundamentally shifts power balance, because math doesnt care about your monopoly on violence.
You can't legislate away elliptic curves, you can't subpoena SHA-256 preimages you can't arrest prime numbers (though NSA tried with export controls on "munitions" lmao)
The "digital gold" narrative is midwit cope Bitcoin isn't trying to be gold its trying to be an uncensorable final settlement layer for value transfer.
Gold has $10T market cap because its hard to confiscate; Bitcoin has potential for way more because its impossible to confiscate if you do it right.
Normies complain that "toxic" bitcoiners are against the state... Yeah no shit we're against the state! The state is fundamentally incompatible with freedom.
Monarchies were more free than modern states.
The state needs money to fund wars, welfare, surveillance apparatus and an entire parasitic bureaucracy that produces negative value (every government employee is net drain on productive economy, prove me wrong protip: you can't)
Fiat is just state violence with extra steps
Cypherpunks understood: trusted third party = security hole = attack vector = single point of failure
Every system with trusted intermediary eventually gets captured by state or becomes state itself.
If you do your research, can you truly tell where the line between silicon valley Big Tech companies and the state ends?
No line exists, they're same entity, different departments.
Google/Facebook/Amazon = surveillance apparatus with better UX than NSA (Snowden docs proved NSA literally plugs into their data centers via PRISM, but normies memory-holed it in like 6 months because goldfish attention span, did you see what the Kardashians did omg)
Cypherpunks saw this coming in the 90s (read the manifestos they're all public, Hal Finney Tim May, Eric Hughes, these guys were 30+ years ahead)

"Bitcoin is for criminals" <- yes it is! because "criminal" = "person state doesnt like" and state is not moral authority

Every major human rights advance was "criminal" at the time: hiding Jews in Nazi Germany, running underground railroad, Tiananmen Square protestor, Snowden leaking NSA docs, Ross Ulbricht creating Silk Road.
Ross Ulbricht got double life + 40 years no parole for running a website (literally just code on server) while actual murderers get 15-25 and serve 8 with good behavior.
SBF was in the club (parents Stanford law professors, donated to Biden, testified to Congress, on cover of Forbes) → slap on wrist (Sailer's law: state refuses to enforce rules against actual criminals but harshly punishes technical violations by dissidents)
Ross was outside the club (created actual free market with a reputation system, no KYC, no permission) → example made
Yes bitcoin is used by criminals. Criminals whose biggest crime is non-compliance with a demon
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102 sats \ 0 replies \ @DannyM 7h
Forgot to add this, and it's after the 10min edit grace period, so a reply it is
Cypherpunks write code, normies complain, state flails, math wins, we all make it or we don't, but at least we tried to build something that can't be stopped.
If you think the state is permanent, you should study history, all empires fall, difference is this time there's opt-out mechanism.
Thank you for trying with me, fellow criminals. Thank you for opting out, fellow criminals
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You said what?
you don't know how is like... breaking the law!
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You beat me to it! I was gonna post this track!
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nobody can beat Darth ... anyways, Scoresby is beating us all with these excellent posts. He puts a real hard proof of work in his posts on SN. Really appreciate them, you see that he's doing a lot of investigative work.
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Truth! He reminds me of @Natalia.
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that's high praise. I miss @Natalia's posts.
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You guys are in a whole different league. I’m playing in the lower leagues! Ahahahha
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You should try sometimes to make your own long posts. Just gather notes, thoughts, ideas, quotes etc into a notepad and when you consider that is enough just arrange them nicely into a long post.
Is good to alternate between memes, shitposting and long interesting posts. Keeps your mind focused.
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I kinda suck at this, but I’ll give it a shot!
I'm learning new skills irl these days. It's really satisfying to make things with my bare hands! perhaps I will be back on the laptop more often soon—the screen is indeed good for connecting with more people, but then nothing beats something you can touch or blend, trash, and then make it better. 👀
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makers are good people
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Bitcoin changes you — why keep buying all the shitty things with tons of plastic or polyester, if you can simply spend the time to learn or find the right people to make the best things possible, and in the way you'd like?
We spend so much time defending ourselves against FUD like "Bitcoin is only used by criminals" and "It's just for money laundering" that we forget what it is that Bitcoin actually does:
indeed. It's like playing defence when you should be playing offence; NO MONEY is any good unless it's used by criminals and/or work well for "money laundering" (whatever the fuck that is)
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268 sats \ 2 replies \ @unboiled 21h
"money laundering" (whatever the fuck that is)
The evolution of that term, money laundering, is great example of a term that was redefined (maybe intentionally? Where's my tinfoil hat?) to lead to collateral damage.
The way it was understood when I grew up, was taking cash obtained through crimes (theft, blackmail, dealing in illegal/sanctioned goods, etc) then run it through a legitimate cash-based front to end up with money that has no trace of its illegal origin. And that was it.
Somewhere in the more recent past, a redefinition took place: money of which the origin is obscured, for whichever reason, must have been sourced illegally unless you can prove it was obtained legally.
Essentially, this followed the pattern I've seen applied in multiple other areas since the late 90s: The assumption of innocence until proven guilty has been turned on its head.
Now we often run into ridiculous situations at banks where they require proof of origin for funds. Or else. That in particular ground my gears as a vanilla, law-abiding, always above-board, quasi-npc citizen. In fact, that is one of my primary motivations for why I try so hard to reduce my use of fiat for anything.
Because eff them for insinuating I'm doing something illegal.
Woops. Got a bit sidetracked. Rant over. Felt cathartic though, not gonna lie.
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I feel like I've seen this before, but I may just be dreaming. Has it been around for a while?
Also, I certainly don't remember it linking to coinos...
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102 sats \ 1 reply \ @jasonb 22h
I made it. It’s maybe a few months old, and I shamelessly post it whenever discussions like this come up, so it makes sense that you’ve seen it once or twice. I think Ive always had Coinos as the “get involved” link on there.
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I see. Well done, sir!
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Criminals are some of the most valuable people. I support Bitcoin, because I want to support crime.
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Bitcoin is cosmopolitan money above laws of any one country.
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It make me questioning why I want Bitcoin
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IMO: Wanting Bitcoin because it removes the state from being able to control your money is a pretty good reason to want it.
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102 sats \ 0 replies \ @Jer 16h
Ultimately, the only reason I hold it.
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102 sats \ 0 replies \ @Fenix 23 Oct
When we explain bitcoin, we kind of already imply that it's illegal to the state; people will throw it into the same category as other things the state labels illegal to make it sound worse than the simple fact that you don't need anyone's approval—much less the government's—to move your money. I mean, people know it's not wrong to have financial autonomy, yet because they understand it as illegal they will associate it with trafficking, smuggling, hitmen for hire, and so on.
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The idea that Bitcoin is “for criminals” ignores why its trustless system is so powerful. It’s not just about dodging laws, it’s about bypassing any gatekeeper, period!
Whether it’s a bank, a government, or a payment processor, Bitcoin lets two parties transact without permission.
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Just found this meme I made from a year or so ago
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That was a good one
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