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Hi Stackers,
It’s Hypno, been in Bitcoin since 2017, running nodes, playing with wallets, stacking sats, and trying to keep my seed phrase safe, actually.
Last year, I needed a durable backup, but the metal options I was looking at were a hassle to set up, too expensive, or discontinued.
So I decided to build my own.
I’d never designed that kind of product before. So I learned CAD, experimented with 3D-printed jigs, and researched laser-cut metal. I wanted something simple: modular, tamper-evident, easy to stamp with basic tools, and built to last.
I made it for myself. But once I realized how much work it took, and how many of us struggle with the same problem, I figured: if it works for me, why not for others too?
My original plan was to manufacture it here in Thailand. I emailed five local metal shops. Followed up once.
Not. One. Reply.
So I found a shop in China, placed a prototype order, and in under three weeks, I had samples in hand, plus a real human contact who answered emails.
That’s why each unit has “MIC” engraved on it: Made in China. Not because I idealize the system, but because they responded.
I can’t overstate how much that mattered.
This is a family project.
  • I built the product, and the website (marketing’s my day job).
  • My wife gave feedback and helped with admin, including the import license.
  • My son helped package the sets, sorting plates, jigs, keyrings, and cable ties into bags.
  • My wife’s sister took the product photos.
  • A friend helped shoot the tutorial video.
  • My dad placed the first order, just to run through the whole process, and give feedback.
It’s small. It’s real. And it works.
Seed Keys is live: seedkeys.xyz
The first product is a metal backup set, made from 316L stainless steel, with detachable keys, tamper seals, and a precision stamping jig.
Available for single-signature and 2-of-3 multisig wallets.
The kit includes everything except the letter punch and hammer, both standard tools you can find locally, or may already own.
I excluded the punch set mainly because it’s heavy and expensive to ship globally. Given it’s a common size (3mm / 1/8”), it made sense to leave it out. No need to charge you for something you might already have.
Starting small. Aiming to support sovereignty.
Feedback and questions welcome.
70 sats \ 1 reply \ @nerd2ninja 22h
You should look at the stress tests performed on other metal plate storage systems, think about how yours would hold up.
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300 sats \ 0 replies \ @Hypno OP 22h
Thanks, I looked at Lopp's tests. And the closest storage solution to compare with is Crypto Keys, which ranks A overall. The difference with Seed Keys is that I used 316L stainless steel instead of 304 - so it should fare even better on corrosion.
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Tamper proof? What is to prevent someone releasing the keyring side and viewing the seed phrase then refitting it? Or do you use the cable ties on both ends?
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21 sats \ 2 replies \ @Hypno OP 12h
I hadn't thought of just releasing the keys when 1 cable tie secured.
So, yeah, you're right - need 2 cable ties to ensure tamper-proofing, not just 1.
It's good that I provide 3 with each set. But I need to change the text on the site to reflect that. Thanks for the feedback.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Scroogey 5h
There's probably enough space to fit a wax paper between any two keys and get an impression of the stamped data without breaking the seals.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Hypno OP 5h
Thanks, I hadn’t considered wax paper before.
I think a few things make it hard in practice:
First, the fit is tight by design. While you could stretch one of the seals to slide paper between two keys, it would leave marks: whitish stress lines where it’s been pulled. That’s tamper evidence.
Also, both keys may be stamped (for 24-word seed phrases). So any impression would be a superposition of two letter sets, which would likely make it unreadable.
I think if someone has that much time and patience, they’d probably just break the seal and move the funds. It’s faster.
The seals aren’t meant to stop every attack.
They’re meant to make access evident, for threats like curious family, resale, or quick snooping.
For those, it works.
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I meant "tamper-evident" not "tamper-proof" in my previous comment.
(sorry, just waking up here)
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You have omitted providing your asking price. It always worried me when people do that. How much do you charge for a set?
Being in Thailand I assume you are unable to accept Bitcoin as payment since they banned MoE use of Bitcoin?
Understand totally your experience getting things fabricated in China more easily rather than Thailand - they are generally the best for this - I have previously tried Thai and Indian manufacturers for various custom design products but China is almost always far more responsive and cost competitive for custom production runs.
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21 sats \ 3 replies \ @Hypno OP 11h
You have omitted providing your asking price. It always worried me when people do that. How much do you charge for a set?
Fair question.
The launch price is $55.
Being in Thailand I assume you are unable to accept Bitcoin as payment since they banned MoE use of Bitcoin?
You're right, businesses aren't supposed to accept Bitcoin as payment in Thailand.
So I'm reframing it: Seed Keys is now a support-based project, not a store.
You contribute in BTC, I ship a kit.
In the meantime, I’ll finally set up a fiat payment gateway, and jump through all the KYC loops.
Not ideal. But if it helps more people secure their keys, fine.
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Good on you. Where there is a will there are ways around these things. Despite the official ban on BTC MoE I still found some brave restaurants in ChiangMai who accept LN/BTC regardless. They were all far better than average in their food and service. Some of the regions in Thailand still exercise some degree of autonomy from the BKK central governments dictates- tourism is so important to ChiangMai not accepting Bitcoin is a huge loss of potential business opportunities. When traveling these days I will give BTC accepting food and hospo business preference as they are usually well above average. Thailand was once leading the world in BTC adoption but the government crackdown since the latest military hijacking of democracy limited what was a huge opportunity to grow a Bitcoin based enterprise sector. I hear the government attitude is now moving back toward accepting more Bitcoin use but it still has some way to go before the full potential can be realised.
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @Hypno OP 11h
In BKK, I've mostly been using BTC during meetups.
If you ever join one at BOB Space, we should meet.
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Yes I did not find much in the way of retailers accepting sats in BKK last year but in Chiang Mai there was few good bars and restaurants. Apparently also some tourist spots down south the government have allowed 'sandbox' trials where some tourist facing retailers can accept sats but the retailer must use an application that immediately converts the sats to baht and so does not receive the sats - preventing a circular economy developing and threatening the baht. Have heard today a bit of a run on some Thai banks as people buy gold and ditch baht. Yes would be good to learn more about the Bangkok BTC scene- if the government does eventually liberalise it could be a world centre of Bitcoin imo.
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The price is on their shop. https://seedkeys.xyz/ The price I see is $55
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Yes I saw that after following the link. Would have preferred it being included in the post, but all good. Would be surprised if cost of production is more than $5 but if shipping is included maybe its ok. However could just stamp seed phrase on a plate of s/s and put it in an envelope or rivet two sheets together if you wanted to use this method. The cable tie is hardly secure if the item falls into the wrong hands.
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21 sats \ 2 replies \ @Hypno OP 11h
Thanks for all the feedback.
I wish it was $5 too. Someday, maybe, if scale brings costs down. For now, it’s small batches. So the price is still a work in progress.
And yes, you can DIY it. I even wrote a guide: https://seedkeys.xyz/diy-seed-phrase-storage/
Seed Keys is just one option for those who want everything out of the box.
The cable ties aren’t to make the set tamper-proof, They're seals to make it tamper-evident. If they're broken, you know someone got in.
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Fair enough- its a question of scale for sure - if you can get the retail price down scale might increase but its got to be getting a return for your time and investment. $55 is not too bad but $21 (+P&P) would be a nice symbolic figure to try for and would provide strong resistance against copycat vendors. Beware of Chinese suppliers who will watch what you are doing and then under cut you with knock offs if they see any opportunity...this is a large part of the strategy by which they have come to dominate global supply chains... 'Country Driving' written by Peter Hessler is a book I strongly recommend for anyone interested in or involved in the Chinese economy especially if actively trading.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Hypno OP 10h
$21 would definitely be a strong number: symbolic, and hard to beat.
But for now, it's $55 😅
I’ll grab Country Driving, I haven’t read Hessler yet. Thanks.
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Could it be soldered at the end, rather than cable tied?
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10 sats \ 6 replies \ @Hypno OP 12h
I didn't know, so I tried:
The soldering wire wouldn't stick to stainless steel...
AI said it's due to the material's stubborn oxide layer.
It may be possible to solder, but not with standard soldering iron and wire.
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What about glue?
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You could try using some long pop rivets.
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I like the idea of pop rivets, but:
The stack height is about 19.5mm, so you’d need a 25mm+ rivet. Not sure how easy it is to find those, or the tool to set them.
Also, only the round hole (5mm) works for rivets. The rectangular one (3×6mm) is too narrow. So you’d be relying on a single rivet. And still probably need a cable tie for the second hole.
Plus, a rivet could be removed and re-riveted with little trace. So it’s not really tamper-evident.
And yeah, it requires a special tool. Another thing to buy, if you don’t already have one.
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Not sure, so I asked AI:
Brushed stainless steel (like the keys) offers a textured surface that eliminates the need for additional sanding. However, thorough cleaning with isopropyl alcohol or a degreaser is essential to remove oils, dirt, and contaminants. For a strong, durable bond, use a two-part epoxy or a polyurethane adhesive formulated for metal.
However, that could be messier than with soldering. Because you can't know where the glue will go when you press the keys together. It could come over the letters, and when you remove that glue (not sure how to do that), it may make the letters unreadable.
Sounds like a hassle. To make the set tamper-proof, better to put the device in a container, like a safe deposit box.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @fourrules 4h
Yeah I was thinking that it could be prized open with a blade and screw driver, and broken in such a way that means accessing it is destroying it.
I feel like someone could also steel this and replace it with an empty key set, if they could forge the label on the tamper proof tag.
Maybe I'm paranoid, but only the paranoid survive as they say.
Multi-sig is one solution, but I don't believe it's appropriate for most people because it's easy to fuck up.
Also, I suggest adding another piece of metal for accompanying details, such as derivation paths or whatever. This solution should be accessible to non-Bitcoiners for inheritance reasons, and basic things like not being aware of derivation paths can trip people up when they've never recovered a wallet before.
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Yeah I was thinking that it could be prized open with a blade and screw driver, and broken in such a way that means accessing it is destroying it.
That goes further than what I had in mind. My first thought is: that would probably weaken the whole backup. But I find the idea interesting.
Also, I suggest adding another piece of metal for accompanying details, such as derivation paths or whatever. This solution should be accessible to non-Bitcoiners for inheritance reasons, and basic things like not being aware of derivation paths can trip people up when they've never recovered a wallet before.
Thanks for the suggestion.
There's an extra blank key, but not sure if it could fit the derivation path.
Also, to save on transport costs, the letter punches I have in stock don't have letters. But you can easily find one in a local store.
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There’s no version with 24 words or more?
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Hypno OP 22h
You can put 24 words on the numbered keys (recto/verso). And there's an extra blank key. You could add 2 words there, but one of them would remain visible. So, you lose the temper-proofing.
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so, I could open the keyring & display all the keys, the reinsert the keyring, leaving the plastic in place?
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Hypno OP 11h
I meant "tamper-evident" not "tamper-proof" in my previous comment.
(sorry, just waking up here)
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hah. much more precise
good luck with the launch
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Great point - need not 1, but 2 cable ties to ensure tamper-proofing.
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Super cool, I bookmark it, thx !
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That's a beautiful design!
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 21h
Cool idea. But please... no one put this on your key ring :)
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I'll plan a warning on the packaging 🤣
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @AG 21h
Nice to see new ₿roducts! Well done, I'll add it to our next TM7 from the ~AGORA P2P Marketplace. Thanks for sharing it around here.
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Thanks, I appreciate the kind words, and TM7 and AGORA sounds great!
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @plebpoet 21h
love to see this!
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This is really cool. I've been looking at using those dog tag stations you see in malls and walmart entrances. Anybody think this is a bad idea?
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Walking around with your seed phrase, entering your seed words in the engraving machine, and waiting for the words to be engraved seems like taking a big risk.
Plus, I'm not sure of the medium they'd use for the tags, and if it'd be durable enough.
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I've been thinking about counter-tactics for that, like only entering part into each individual engraving machine. Obviously, I wouldn't keep the tags on me; more likely in the back of a vault.
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15 sats \ 0 replies \ @Hypno OP 9h
OK, but you should keep in mind:
  • Entering the first 4 letters of a word is enough to find the word - that's a property of the BIP39 word list, the most common standard for seed phrases these days.
  • Each machine could have a cache, or a log of what's been engraved. And the shop could get your seed words that way. Then, I think it'd be quite easy to brute force the correct order. Maybe you can go to several shops to mitigate that risk...
Seems to me there are better ways to engrave, either with a letter punch as I use for my sets, an engraving pen, or a rotary tool. With these tools, you don't enter any word anywhere with the help/assistance of anyone, but by yourself, on your durable medium.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @OT 14h
Nice!
How so you put the words on the steel? Letter punches? If so, does it bend upward slightly? They look quite small.
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Take a look at the tutorial video where I did the whole process: https://vimeo.com/1105427318
Keys don't bend on a flat surface.
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