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I'm stuck on this, was up till 1 pm last night on Twitter, Youtube, Rumble, etc. There's lots of theories, lots of videos, lots of evidence of things being swept under the carpet.
This one appears to show the actual assassin, and the shot. The story is that it's a tiny little gun that folds into a cell phone shape. And the shot came from just a few feet away. Which implies that Charlie Kirk's entire security team was completely compromised.
Anyway, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4lkw9baMfs. The apparent shooter is the guy in the white shirt, next to the lady in the white shirt, who has his hands placed oddly on his chest, while holding the device. He puts his hands down, and then up again, and you clearly see a sharp movement of his hands when the shot goes off.
There's a lot of fumbling while the youtuber (apparently a very popular gamer) tries to get his videos set up, if you want to jump directly to this part, it's around 9:20. There's also some discussion before this part, with context, and also more info about the gun, which appears to be commercially available.
Also some odd hand gestures from a security guy RIGHT behind Charlie Kirk. And I've seen another video, which I can't find again now, from an angle that included a bit more on the right. That showed another security guy doing even more odd hand gestures, that clearly seem like some kind of signaling.
What do you all think?
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FYI - here's the video on Rumble, in case it gets taken down from youtube. Apparently a lot of them are.
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I'm not down the rabbit hole, but I've been peeking over the edge a bit.
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88 sats \ 21 replies \ @kepford 7h
I think Covid broke a lot of people. Every event isn't being covered up by state actors.
I'm not saying this one is as it seems... I don't trust the FBI but what I have seen so far is a bunch of idiots seeking attention. Could I be wrong? Yeah. Does the official story make sense to me? Yeah. Seems to me to be the most likely. But I don't know anything.
I do know a lot of people's questions have simple answers. Conspiracy theory study is not ideology. It seems to be an addiction for some people.
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I haven't seen answers to why there appear to have been decoys in the audience to distract law enforcement.
Shouting "I'm the shooter", or whatever it was, is very bizarre when a man was just murdered right in front of you.
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Also the other guy, long curly hair and beard, who jumped up and down and made a huge commotion.
Weren't there a total of at least 3 people who were very pointedly doing things that in retrospect seem very much like deliberate distractions?
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That sounds right. I only remember from the immediate aftermath that there were a few, but not how many total.
Unless you knew someone was going to be shot, that does seem like a very inorganic reaction. Of course, they might just be other deranged lefties from the discord group who were in on it and it goes no further than that.
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Now I'm wishing that I had saved everything that I've seen and organize it carefully. Saved the videos, everything. It's so easy for things to be deleted.
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I'm sure someone did. That Laser guy on nostr was documenting a lot of oddities as the story developed.
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104 sats \ 10 replies \ @grayruby 7h
One thing I don't get in all of this, especially after what happened to Trump, is you have a couple guys standing behind Charlie watching the crowd for close proximity threats. Why don't they have a guy watching for long range threats. I mean the roof of the building the supposed shot came from was right in front of them. Shouldn't a guy with binoculars be watching that roof?
I know they aren't going to have the same level of security for a college campus event as they would for a Trump rally but seems like a pretty glaring oversight not to have one guy watching for long range threats.
42 sats \ 2 replies \ @kepford 7h
That dude is unhinged in some of what he is "documenting". Some of these dudes need some years on them. Way to confident in themselves.
I'm sure someone did. That Laser guy on nostr was documenting a lot of oddities as the story developed.
Could you link to the Laser Guy on nostr?
69 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 7h
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying we know everything. I'm not saying there wasn't some leftist group working together. That is not only possible, I think its likely. At the very least we know there are people celebrating this act.
Shouting "I'm the shooter", or whatever it was, is very bizarre when a man was just murdered right in front of you.
There are a LOT of mentally ill people and false confessions are very common. Someone like Kirk brings out these kinds of people.
What I have a hard time with is that it was an inside job and the guy in custody is a patsy. That's possible but I've seen nothing that even makes me suspect that.
What bugs me is that before anyone knows much of anything idiots on the Internet start making dumb claims with no evidence. It seems like a sport for them to me.
We still don't know what happened with the Trump assassination. And Trump is in power. There were many odd things about that event. I just think this exercise can be a huge waste of time and distraction. We know the current admin in Israel is evil. We know they funded terrorism to increase support for their actions. We know the US government has been behind stuff like this in other countries.
Now what? What is known and admitted should be enough to wake people up but it isn't. So to me... there's a bottom to this hole of conspiracy showing the evil actions of the state and political movements. I'm convinced. So what? These people that focus on this solely seem to have no end game except conspiracy porn for gain.
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116 sats \ 3 replies \ @freetx 5h
I only found this out over the weekend, but it seems the 'official' narrative is this:
  1. Shooter had the rifle disassembled and carried it to the roof in that condition
  2. Shooter assembled rifle on roof
  3. Shooter took shot, disassembled rifle and carried it with him off roof
  4. Shooter reassembled the rifle in woods
  5. Shooter left assembled rifle in woods.
I fully believe #1 and #2 could be very probable.
The rest seem very suspect....why would you even bother taking the gun off the roof....assuming you wore gloves, why not just leave it on roof? Further who would ever go thru hassle of disassembling rifle to take it off roof and reassembling to ditch? All seems very confusing....
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Yeah, there are a few oddities like that. If 1 and 2 are accurate, though, the rest isn't too important.
He also apparently changed clothes several times throughout the day, not just immediately before and after the shooting.
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121 sats \ 1 reply \ @freetx 5h
It raises the question: Is the fully assembled gun they found in woods the real gun or a decoy.
Tied in with the people falsely screaming "I shot him" after the event, it seems that this is not just a 'lone shooter', but instead some sort of orchestrated event.
If its the later, then that opens up much bigger questions like what group did this, etc.
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We already know about an online group. If the decoys weren't members of that, then there are a bunch of new questions.
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42 sats \ 1 reply \ @Scoresby 5h
Yes. I don't want to get drawn in to it, but every time I hear something it usually makes me go...what?
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same
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76 sats \ 14 replies \ @siggy47 7h
Christopher Hedges had a guy on his latest podcast who kept saying Israel did it while repeatedly saying "I'm not saying Israel did it."
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I just listened to Dave Smith's recent podcast on the Charlie Kirk assassination.
And I thought it was really interesting - not because he's accusing Israel. No, it's because he's specifically NOT accusing Israel, and he's bashing other people who ARE accusing Israel. And saying, "there's no evidence", etc.
But if your base position is that it's bad to speculate, that you shouldn't postulate that there might be other people who wanted Charlie Kirk dead - then of course you'll never find any evidence. You won't even look.
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55 sats \ 5 replies \ @siggy47 7h
Yes, I thought Smith went a little overboard. Perhaps the lady doth protest too much? On the hand, it was early and there was no evidence.
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This has always been Dave's attitude towards conspiracy theories and it's about the same as mine:
Would they do it? Yes, they're monsters
Could they do it? Almost certainly
Did they do it? Let's see the evidence
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42 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 7h
Agreed. The Hedges episode guy was talking about all sorts of Mossad stuff. Planting bugs in the White House. 9-11. The Aldo Moro kidnapping. Clearly he has an agenda. Max Blumenthal: https://youtu.be/Uf7zr5Thz64?si=YSppigqYOMwiUqsR
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Yeah, Clint's latest episode got into a lot of that too. But, again, there's no disagreement that they're bad actors. Being bad actors isn't evidence that they did a particular bad thing.
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Oh, so you heard this podcast too? Smith actually said something like, "I know people are going to say that they got to me already". I was definitely thinking that was the case, just from the tone.
Also it wasn't that early, I don't think - wasn't it just yesterday?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 7h
I thought I watched it a few days ago, bit I could be wrong. I have to admit I thought that too. It would only be human nature if you have a family and just saw what happened.
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And apparently it was BECAUSE Charlie Kirk hosted a debate between Dave Smith (anti zionist) and another guy, who was a complete zionist, that Israel was very, very upset with him, and apparently he was sent some messages that could be seen as threatening.
It would be interesting to hear what Tucker Carlson says on this issue - apparently Charlie Kirk showed him the messages.
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Was it the guy who reported about Kirk being afraid Israel would kill him?
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I believe it was Harrison Smith that originally reported that he'd heard from someone that Charlie Kirk was afraid of being assassinated by Mossad.
And it was from an "unnamed source". You can look things up here - https://x.com/HarrisonHSmith
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That's right. I couldn't remember his name off-hand. I listened to his interview with Clint Russel on Liberty Lockdown.
I totally buy that Israel would have been willing and able to kill Kirk, but we also need evidence that they actually did.
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I think that evidence disappears really quickly. I saw another video of a guy (the dark green shirt guy, like army shirt, with his sleeves rolled up, visible in the above video) leaping over barriers and RUNNING over to the large video camera on the tripod, and starting to pick it up. And that would have been the camera that caught everything, I think.
Or maybe the people standing around would have been blocking the angle that video camera had.
It did seem like they were specifically getting positioned to block the view of the phone/gun, and the only reason that whoever took the original video was able to capture it, was that he was higher up.
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Interesting
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 7h
Yes
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I think people are trying to avoid the idea of the trans dating guy being guilty of the crime.
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Interesting - my impression is that people are completely eager to believe that the currently accused shooter (mainstream media isn't even saying "alleged" anymore) is 100% the shooter. At least on the more conservative side, anyway.
I talked to a friend yesterday, he said, "I would bet my LIFE that this guy is the real shooter".
And it's not like he had any special information, or anything. He's just watching mainstream media.
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No. There is an effort, and I think I've seen it in some of your previous posts, to pivot this discussion off the trans dating guy and onto Israel instead. That only works, of course, in theory, if the trans dating guy isn't the shooter.
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34 sats \ 33 replies \ @kepford 7h
Its not just two sides. Its many different sides. To me its pretty simple.
  • The people that are focused on Israel being behind all of the problems in the US think they are behind it.
  • The left wants it to be a right wing extremist that thinks Kirk was to hard enough on the left.
  • The Fox news / MAGA crowd think its from the left/trans/antifa
A broken clock is right twice a day. Sometimes the mainstream story is more true than false. I'm prepared to be proven wrong but so far the other two positions seem like projection. Wishful thinking.
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Eh. It isn't that controversial. Trans people are unhinged as evidenced by the fact they are trans and think kids ought to be too. They don't want people speaking against the trans agenda, which is what he finished talking about when he was shot.
People hating on Israel are in for a rude awakening.
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What is the rude awakening going to be, do you think?
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That their hatred of Israel is really hatred of God.
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34 sats \ 27 replies \ @kepford 6h
Israel is a secular state. Nations are people, not governments. The confusion about this has led to so much bloodshed. Just as we have had and still have corrupt politicians in the US, Israel does as well. There are a lot of misguided people on this Israel situation. People that literally hate Jews and think they are Christians and people that support every action of the state of Israel and think they are supporting Christian values.
Its all so tiresome.
I think the Maga crowd has been split. Half of them are completely pro Israel, and the other half not any more. And the younger half is the later.
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Well, that's the intent. Question is, who does that objective serve?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @000w2 1h
It could be some combination of the two. Israel is good at gaining leverage over people.
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There's no question there's a conspiracy, the only question is which. Fog of war.
NatSec people that aren't "official" to maintain deniability, but documentedly close to the admin like former NSA's (Flynn, Bannon) keep things on-script, are unambiguous in foreshadowing that there are other shoes to drop and make sure things aren't memory-holed.
I don't buy the credit card gun (though I'm sure the CIA has something similar, hell they killed Breitbart with a heart-attack gun and Kennedy's driver finished him with a pneumatic pistol) based purely on the caliber that must have been used to rock his body such as video showed and the wound. I also dismiss the baseball signals, those were debunked as being standard by those specific agents. The two combined make even less sense, down range signals would be spotting for a sniper.
There had to be some kind of security compromise though, how could there have been no eyes on the nearby roof? a sweep with a $30 drone prevents that... thats just another reason Butler stinks too especially given SS levels of security. (Butler was a "red carpet" performance imo, with a palmed razer blade to cut the ear... remember Trump's closeness to the WWE where that was a common trick for creating blood)
One thing that caught my ear last week was Tucker on Megyn Kelley talking about Kirk having made enemies over lobbying Trump wrt Israel... and now twitter is a shitstorm over Candace Owns (I think she's full of shit generally but was close to Charlie) implicating Israel via Bill Ackman... the split on Israel among people close to everything is definitely sus, but Israel narratives are so common at this point that they sound lazy.
All the foreshadowing hints at a larger domestic terror network coordinated and funded by NGO's... using RICO to take them down... no surprise there...
So even if it was a rando, that rando is a victim of psycological operations run by something bigger. Either way, it doesn't stop with one or even dozens of arrest.
Navarro on CNBC yesterday, listen carefully to his framing. It's a civil war between factions at the highest levels of power, all we see are pawns of a grander conspiracy.
Kirk on Tucker just a month ago, "all roads lead to the intelligence agencies"
Bannon, regularly, Nunes and Patel have barely any grip on their respective agencies with black box operatives and dark budgets embedded within each.
To what extent foreign powers and domestic deep-state or money'd interests align may never be fully known... now if only @Cje95 could get us something useful to chew on from a SCIF, Guantanamo, or the FISA courts instead of normie news we could begin to paint the bigger picture.
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Do you have any more details about why you dismiss the baseball signals with the security guards? In what way are they normal?
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I don't catalog this stuff because it's a fool's errand, but this theory started floating last week and there were countless deboonkers posting videos of that specific security guard acting similarly at previous events. It's Charlie's regular head of security.
Not to say he can't be compromised just because he's a regular, and not to say the signals can't be switched up, but it's very flimsy and basic. It makes even less sense in the context of the shot coming from his 3'oclock as opposed to down range.
That would also be terrible opsec from a professional operator knowing how many eyes and cameras were on him.
On the cellphone gun, those are only useful to about 20' or so, looks out of range... no residue mist... and other angles of video seem conclusive it was from the front, bullet entered front of the kneck/upper chest above the collar and blew out his artery. I'd only consider that type of weapon a viable theory from someone in the front few rows.
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Do you know of any collection of videos somewhere? I'd really be interested in seeing them.
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X is a shitshow for finding things you've seen, if you search for Kirk security on there i'm sure you'll have a field day.
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Watching the video you linked above and i'm even more skeptical on that gun, the "shooter" doesn't even sight the "weapon", tantamount to a hip shot out of range.
Certainly possible he was a backup shooter, like Kennedy's driver was, but that's the best steelman for that case I can come up with
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To me it looks like there's significant recoil on the gun that he's holding, right when Charlie slumps. And then there's something right before that - maybe him assembling the gun, or a misfire or something.
And what about the guy in the white baseball cap, who's holding a device that looks like a cell phone, that seems to be pointed at Charlie's neck? Maybe that's somehow related to the shooting.
It's like with magicians - it's really hard to figure out how exactly "the magic" happens...but it does happen.
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Certainly anything is possible, but this is still very reach-y. I don't consider myself a firearms expert but I know my way around them and people that know more then me have not casted any doubt on it being a rifle caliber or taken from the front.
No doubt either that there is magic and trickery to these ops, but that's also why I don't care much about who pulled the trigger... that's just a pawn... the story is bigger than who was there that day.
As Bannon says, I want who killed him, not just who pulled the trigger.
Getting mired into what may or may not have happened on scene ignores the bigger questions of who set it up, why, and why now.
I think before pointing out all the oddities you'll have to explain why the most straightforward explanation isn't correct. Occam's Razor.
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I don't know that "pushed by mainstream media" equals "straightforward".
It's top of mind, sure, but not straightforward, to me. Just the videos about this guy apparently jumping off a building and running away, all the while apparently having a rifle shoved down his pants - all very fishy. And the many clothing changes, and the disassembling of the rifle, and reassembling, to finally leave it in the woods - fishy.
I'm looking forward to the next Clint Russell talk on this topic. I don't think he'll let go.
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The only thing I'd ask is: Do you want the alternative narrative to be true?
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No. I was perfectly willing to believe the trans shooter theory.
If I hadn't listened to the Liberty Lockdown podcast a while back, and also in general known about a lot of situations where the official narrative was false, I wouldn't have looked into it.
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I agree that the official narrative is often false, and that this is something the Israeli government (or any other government) would be willing and able to do.
I think I just don't see enough hard evidence to suggest that (though to be fair, I am not personally spending much time to dive deep.) It also doesn't make sense to me that Kirk would be a prime target for the Israeli government. There are much more prominent anti-Israel voices out there, and Kirk had not even come out against Israel publicly (and there isn't much evidence that he was even anti-Israel privately, other than maybe a few public moments of reflection.)
My advice to conspiracy theorists (not a pejorative term---I would've been labeled a conspiracy theorist re: COVID), is to pick and choose the evidence you present carefully. Don't get caught up in speculating over every little odd thing... pick the hardest most piercing pieces of evidence and hammer those ones. If you keep speculating about little oddities, you actually make your own argument look weaker.
That was my experience re: COVID. I had a lot of friends on my side who would speculate about every little COVID oddity and it made others just think that they're kooks. On the other hand, when I present the hardest evidence, such as the statistical weakness of the Pfizer studies, I was able to convince more people to at least think twice.
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The theory that I heard (and this is just me reporting what I have heard and seen online) is that he was a huge pro Israeli voice, with an enormous youth following - the largest in the US, and probably the world.
But the Israelis knew, from surveillance, that he was wavering in his support, and starting to question if the US should be funding Israel. He had rejected offerings of enormous sums of money from Israel for his foundation, and said no to a personal request from Netanyahu to come visit Israel. And he was moving FURTHER in that direction.
So - and this is the theory - they decided to do away with him while they could call him a hero of Israel.
There's tons of people who are anti Israel. But they don't have his following, and weren't previously huge prominent supporters of Israel, that changed their mind.
Check out the video from a previous post of mine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2qn0mvSCig&ab_channel=MegynKelly. Look at Charlie Kirk's face.
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Aren't those sort of the same thing?
I.e. Given official narrative, explain this weird thing.
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Depends on the level of the oddity and how directly it contradicts the official narrative.
Odd hand gestures and "X might also have had a motive" don't rise to that level, IMO.
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I agree with that. Everything I've seen is consistent with a small group of deranged leftists plotting an attack.
I won't be at all surprised to learn there's more to it, but I don't see that yet.
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I imagine security personnel are frequently signaling to each other in various ways.
If it wasn't the guy who's in custody, then why he's willing to take the fall needs to be explained. Why he would tell his parents that he did it. etc.
I'm always willing to entertain whatever evidence is available and whatever questions aren't answered, but each theory also has to account for all the stuff we do know.
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The accused is not willing to take the fall.
Apparently originally it was said that he "confessed" but right now he's not cooperating.
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I meant that he confessed to his parents
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I didn't hear that he actually confessed the crime to his parents.
One other piece of info - the head of the Utah FBI was recently replaced, like a month ago. Apparently she was very well respected, and had just been put into that position.
Here's AI on it: Mehtab Syed, the former Special Agent in Charge of the FBI's Salt Lake City field office, was replaced by Robert Bohls, who has been in the role for less than a month as of September 11, 2025. Bohls has since taken the lead in the public briefings regarding the ongoing manhunt for Charlie Kirk’s killer. Syed was reportedly forced out in August 2025, just months after her appointment in February, with officials stating she was “not a good fit for the office”.
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So, who knows the accuracy of reporting here, but the version of events I heard is that his dad recognizes him from the picture going around the internet and asks if it's him and if he did it. The son confesses then and the family has him talk to the youth minister about turning himself in.
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42 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 7h
I was watching a video of a friend of Kirk"a and he said this guy was his head of security and a life long friend. People speculate. Important to remember most do not know much beyond that.
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20 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 7h
Which implies that Charlie Kirk's entire security team was completely compromised.
This seems very unlikely.
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17 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 7h
Does this need to be the case or does one just need to be compromised that has authority over the others?
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34 sats \ 2 replies \ @grayruby 7h
I think the "conspiracy theorists" have at least a compelling enough case to investigate it further.
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From what I've seen of mainstream response, the only ones who WILL investigate are the "conspiracy theorists".
Mainstream media has everyone completely convinced they "got their man".
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"conspiracy theorists" up to and including former National Security Advisors who have for decades worked inside the Pentagon to both defuse and author O-Plan's ("conspiracies").
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34 sats \ 2 replies \ @zapsammy 4h
you are better off sharing videos from rumble, youtube is making this disclosure very challenging; people are probably becoming rapidly aware of this; additionally, Rumble is the place to be wen there's Rumble in the Jungle; not a coincidence!
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What are the best people to listen to on Rumble, that are posting good quality videos on the assassination?
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oh dude, i have no patience for further untangling this mess, otherwise we'll be going all the way back to 1913 Federal Reserve establishment, again;
it's good to have disclosure, yet as the guy says - once u know the magic trick, stop looking at the dark magician's trick (my-tricks, matrix); learn defense, teach people to think straight, stack sats, and live a life worth living; lead by example
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This is Laser's npub. Should go without saying, but I don't vouch for any particular thing he says.
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God bless his legacy
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FYI:
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the entire event was meant to be a sacrifice ritual for the masses to see, as well as a distraction from the world trade center destruction anniversary; too many people were watching various videos about the old tricks, so a new trick was demonstrated; there are so many to keep track of...
there is but one powerful solution to this mess: stacking sats, accumulating knowledge, putting it to work; educating others!
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I read the full post. It sounds like somebody trying to fake a message, and doing poorly. I mean - REALLY poorly. It sounds way too formal, too many complete sentences. Using the word vehicle, instead of car. Who does that, except a fed?
Also...he's worried about evidence, and then typing this incriminating message on Discord? The guy is supposed to be very intelligent. That doesn't make sense.
ROBINSON: “Why did I do it?” ROOMMATE: “Yeah” ROBINSON: “I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out. If I’m able to grab my rifle, I’ll have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully they have moved on. I haven’t seen anything about them finding it.” ROOMMATE: “How long have you been planning this?” ROBINSON: “A bit over a week I believe. I can get close to it but there’s a squad car right by it. I think they already swept that spot but I don’t want to chance it. I’m wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle. I’m worried what my old man would do if I didn’t bring back grandpa’s rifle. Idk if it has a serial number but it wouldn’t trace to me. I worry about prints, I had to leave it in a bush when I changed outfits. Didn’t have the time or ability to bring it with. I might have to abandon it and hope they don’t find prints.”
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I agree that the Discord messages are a little on the nose. They don't smell authentic.
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I see it very much like the psycopandemic of covid. I don't want to dig much as it causes stress and sadness, everyone with half a brain knows it was not a lonely shooter.
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Have you all actually looked at the video carefully? I thought it was very convincing, literally a "smoking gun", almost.
What's interesting is that the first time I went through it, I literally DID NOT SEE the guy with his hands up to his chest, with the alleged gun.
It took a another viewing to see. There's just so much going on, and your mind is trying to take everything in.
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You can see the "gun" (which looks like it is an "Ideal Conceal IC380") at 8:54, 8:57, and 9:01.
At 9:18 is when the actual shooting happens. You can see the guys hands together at his chest, and they're shaking like there's recoil, but you don't see the actual gun.
I'm looking at the rumble version, and have it slowed down, it's easier to notice things https://rumble.com/v6z0h9y-this-is-how-they-shot-charlie-kirk.html?e9s=src_v1_s%2Csrc_v1_s_m
And I've been looking carefully at the guy in the white baseball cap. At some points, it appears he's pointing his cell phone (?) right at Charlie Kirk's neck. Like at 9:06. Weird? Why would he do that?
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Also, I read somewhere else that there are versions of this video (I haven't seen them myself) that have SCRUBBED the guy who appears to be the shooter.
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