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Last year, I was faced with a similar quandary (#413085) -- except in that instance, I was asked not to speak about bitcoin at all. This time, she's open to me broaching the orange subject.
(I'm making homemade pizzas: sausage, sage, and spicy honey / white sauce, gruyere, lemon, and arugula / chorizo, scamorza, diced tomato / ricotta, summer squash, and mint / vanilla ice cream sundaes with peanuts and hot fudge)
My question is how best to bring up Bitcoin:
WHAT YOU GONNA DO WHEN YOU'RE DEBANKED?17.9%
LOAD BALANCING AND GRID STABILIZATION35.9%
WHAT HAPPENED IN 1971?28.2%
LASER EYES LIOTTA COMES TO TOWN17.9%
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You could attack Trump and the crypto grifters and then after you rant about that, you say, "Bitcoin is the only real innovation."
Psychologically, they latch onto you as an ally when you start attacking Trump and crypto. But then you surprise them with your positive view of Bitcoin. It will make them wonder how you could hold these two views together.
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I think this is the right approach. Once people like you, they're willing to listen, so throw some red meat to those lions.
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Am curious, why do you have to bring up Bitcoin?
I am already very late to Bitcoin, and hold a paltry few miliBitcoins, while biting my finger every day on why did not I get in sooner. I do not want mass adoption, not yet at least, until I have my nestegg.
Why do you have to orange-pill and push up the price? Is it because you got all the Bitcoins you want and do not mind if you cannot afford anymore?
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34 sats \ 0 replies \ @anon 9 Aug
Retail does not pump the price. Corporations, hedge funds , elites and whole nations are YOLOing in via OTC desks and private deals. We want to see indivuals get wealthy.
But, alas, I'm giving up on relatives, even. People just can't wrap their heads around it. The amount of Plebs is maxed out in the G20 nations. Too drunk on fiat.
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Great point. I think some part of me wants to antagonize. Same as if a person working for the FBI comes to dinner...I want to challenge them and draw them out to discuss what I see as a pretty fundamental disagreement.
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I wouldn't, specially if he is a climate activist. He will make the point on how bad bitcoin is for the climate due to it's energy consumption and you will end up having a nasty debate that you will not win because for a climate activist any energy consumption above zero is sacrilege, and you will make everyone uncomfortable for the rest of the night. Don't do it.
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any energy consumption above zero is sacrilege
Then that person shouldn't eat.
On a serious note, I would say to a climate activist that Bitcoin's energy use, on a per kwh basis, is cleaner than the average energy use in the economy. So you have to also think Bitcoin is worthless in order to criticize its energy use, and so I'd ask "Why do you think Bitcoin is worthless?"
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is cleaner than the average energy use in the economy
The economy is what's wrong to a climate activist to begin with. What he will hear is "hey, we can replace this tumour with this other less damaging tumour!". He will answer "yea... I think many things should change" and will stop there, which is code for "I actually want communist central planning".
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Just don't use the word economy then
But you're right some of these people will refuse to use their brain no matter what so talking can be pointless
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I didn’t credit you with that kind of restraint.
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LOL I understand what you mean :P I hate wasting my time in pointless discussion in private spaces, especially since it isn't appropriate to begin with. I have never started a debate on politics nor economy in social encounters. Not even once. Yet to my surprise, since everyone knows I'm heavily embedded on this subjects, it's everyone else who start me on them, and even then I limit what I say to what's appropriate for such contexts.
One of the funniest cases was on a friend's birthday, in which he asked me to please not to talk about politics since he had some leftist acquittances, and I assured him that I had no prior intention on doing so for it wasn't appropriate. I obliged to my word, yet some beers afterwards this friend was trying to start me debating with his friends just to see the world burn 😂 (of course I limited myself to do it on good humour).
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I also never bring up politics (or any of my other weird views) with most people, unless someone asks what I think. I share your view about it being pointless.
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Turns out one of the climate activist guests knew parker lewis and has been a bitcoiner since 2013...
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Lucky you! Then you can just ask him and it will be his subject, not yours, saving you the hassle.
“ Have you also noticed that money is no longer worth what it used to be?”
As climate activists, you can cite the fact that Bitcoin mining helps the environment by consuming energy that would otherwise be wasted, contrary to what critics say.
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102 sats \ 1 reply \ @satgoob 8 Aug
Ask whether we should all just move back into caves ffs
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102 sats \ 0 replies \ @satgoob 8 Aug
Like bitcoin is a need, electricity is a need, data centers are need. Unless you want to go preindustrial, then figure out a solution (hint: renewables and battery storage are improving rapidly, and I expect they will be virtually all our power in 50 years with gas as backup) rather than trying to hamper technological progress. Human ingenuity is a powerful thing, we can solve stuff
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watch the movie dirty coin (Alana mediaville, I think it'S on amazon, anyway not hard to find)
fwiw this argument is winnable but it takes effort and preparation and if you are the odd guy in a crowd of people who dislike you for tribal reasons, it might be better to be be a wallflower and just listen and resist the urge to engage.
if you don't feel ready to debate the Bitcoin is bad crowd, you can just politely say "I don't think Bitcoin is climate negative or anyway uniquely climate negative any more than say washing machines or any other tech, but I'm not ready to defend that position with facts and arguments at the present time. I am still learning about it."
if you must argue, when you get "as much electricity as Argentina" try "how much is that in percent of that total?" (fwiw it's like 0.2% but the really point is neither you nor the other person probably actually knows)
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You make a good point. I rarely choose the path of lone antagonizer. I mostly talked about SN and how paying to post makes social media better. They were politely receptive.
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102 sats \ 0 replies \ @OT 9 Aug
Send them Daniel Battens way. He'll sort them out.
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112 sats \ 1 reply \ @deSign_r 9 Aug
None of the above. Bitcoin and pizza... there's no better combination!
Do you know, fifteen years ago, two pizza cost 10k bitcoin...
I'd avoid drama topics like greenpeace-bitcoin-bad-for-environemet and other media myths. If you hosting it at home, and you're making homemade pizza, so I assume it will be a cozy dinner, nothing formal... so keep it friendly and avoid any political conversation! Keep focus in the good things bitcoin brings. At least that's what I'd do
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Lazlo's pizza did come up. But I didn't end up doing much proselytizing.
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Nodes and ASIC machines do not emit any CO2
The freezers and refrigerant equipment that keep American ice cream cold uses more energy than all of bitcoin
Bitcoin is for anyone in the world to use. It shields savings from debasement so we can afford to stock more ice cream for next year's party
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It’s probably too late now and that’s presuming you haven’t blown the whole thing but should anyone want some follow up material Daniel Batten was on a recent podcast where he went through some of the common misconceptions relating to Bitcoin and the environment, the climate activists might be interested to learn about what he is doing around landfill methane emissions which I believe is pioneering stuff.
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Batten has been pretty excellent on the topic.
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Fiat debt slavery is designed to and does drive excessive inflation and of course debt. Part of the answer to climate change is a monetary system that encourages saving and thrift (which BTC does!) and encourages more capital direction by the holders of accumulated liquid capital (which is Bitcoin!). The fiat debt slavery bankers cartel has enslaved not just citizens but governments. They own most governments and prevent the meaningful response that is required to the real challenge that is our current culture of debt fueled over consumption. IMO, Do NOT try to argue against the climate change issue itself- instead emphasize that Bitcoin by empowering people and encouraging saving and thrift is a major way of combating climate change. Personally I believe climate change is real- there can be argument about the edges but the core science is established- trying to debate that will send you and the Bitcoin narrative you raise toward the loony bin. Bitcoin is about a major change in the monetary system- from one controlled and manipulated by bankers and politicians to one that treats all people equally without fear or favour- Bitcoin would modify peoples attitude toward spending and saving empowering them to live more sustainable less debt driven consumption centred lives.
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All of the above. Better to ask forgiveness than permission.
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Dang, you're quite the chef!
Money in historical context - money printing in the past (even Gengis Khan in China!), money printing throughout history, how it always happens, and it's happening now. How SCARICITY is the one thing that freely chosen money has always had.
Anyway...historical references work well for me. Now sure about others...
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Seriously, with that yummy sounding food, he could make an Orange Pilling Lesson a prerequisite to getting served food
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Luckily the topic came up naturally. But we didn't go very deep. When everyone is there and being polite, it turns out that its difficult to have sustained conversations. Perhaps this is just a symptom of being the host.
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where's the "Divorce" option...?
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Well, but I love her.
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This. If she's not on board, not worth the pain when she tries to take more than half after it creates generational wealth. Then she'll claim she was the one that pushed him into buying the bitcoin in the first place lmao.
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Don’t tell them anything. They are anti human extinctionists
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I think most of the Bitcoin mining facilities have turn towards green energy solutions. Love sats and stacker news ❤️
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What about limiting fiat and not talk about it anymore? It seems to be much worse when it comes to the climate...
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