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110 sats \ 3 replies \ @freetx 16 Jun
Yes, but not fee-less. Things like roads, trash pickup, water, security all require continual fees.
This is ultimately why I settled back to "small gov constitutional libertarian-ism" as the most practical form of achievable government. Anarcho Capitalism is nice in theory but in practice we come to resemble "small gov" anyway.
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21 sats \ 2 replies \ @justin_shocknet 16 Jun
Anything people have to pay for but don't want to pay for will eventually become taxes
First they'll call that thing they're forced to pay for a human right
Then the government with nationalize or subsidize it
Then it becomes paid for with taxes
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27 sats \ 1 reply \ @freetx 16 Jun
Very true.
Furthermore Anarcho Capitalism doesn't do anything about "politics". Sure we could do away with all regulations and instead have things mediated by insurance companies...but eventually there would be "industry groups" that got together to make common decisions for the various big insurance companies (ie. should we require interior house paint to have flame retardant material to reduce house fires...etc)
Once that starts then politics just moves to "who can get appointed to that industry group - and how to influence that person".
Basically my view is Anarcho Capitalisms final form would look fairly indistinguishable from small-gov constitutional gov at the practical level....its just a long arduous trip around the block.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 16 Jun
Impossible to overstate that...
I've seen pro-monarchy stuff picking up on twitter, IIRC Luke Jr among them... now all of a sudden "No Kings" protests over the weekend?
The Overton Window getting blown the fuck open because history is a carousel.
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100 sats \ 2 replies \ @flat24 17 Jun
A fairly difficult issue, considering that:
- Taxes are a theft of the State towards Citizen and is something that will never cease.
If they can print all the role they want or need, because they also require your taxes? 🤔
- Today in 2025 there are many people in the world who think or believe that roads and hospitals are still built with the taxes paid by commoners 👥
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @optimism 17 Jun
Only if the top dog or the cronies have a construction company.
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @flat24 17 Jun
Obviously you can never miss corruption and influence peddling.
At the end of the day the State is a mega mafia more than in this world.
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1755 sats \ 1 reply \ @fauxfoe 16 Jun
Sure, but I wouldn't want to live there.
Government is the structure we evolved to do the things that require collective resources and decision-making. You don't get that without funding it.
A thriving society requires a government with the resources it needs to fulfill its mission. If we want a society full of awesome people doing awesome things, we need to ensure everybody has access to an education. If we want to live in a just society, we need to make sure nobody goes hungry. There are so many things that don't get done without collective investment (mass transit, for example). These are all great things to have in society, and they don't get solved without taxes.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Msd0457890 16 Jun
You are quite right in what you say, but it is also true that there are governments that collect taxes to satisfy the whims of their rulers.
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34 sats \ 0 replies \ @d680ecaa8e 16 Jun
It is possible for society to be taxless if country has enough revenue from other things other than tax.
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177 sats \ 0 replies \ @guerratotal 16 Jun
It’s possible in theory, but very difficult in practice. A society without taxes would need to fund public services—like roads, security, healthcare, or education—in other ways, like voluntary contributions, user fees, or profits from state-owned enterprises. But history shows that without some kind of regular, collective funding system, it's hard to maintain shared infrastructure and basic services fairly. So while “taxless” sounds appealing, it often ends up shifting the costs in less transparent ways—or weakening the things everyone relies on.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @BallLightning 17 Jun
The most difficult problem to solve without some form of non consensual value extraction is the free rider problem.
Simple and non consequential example would be street lighting. You can't exclude people yhat don't pay from benefitting from it and so you are incentivising people not paying for it. (So you may have situation where 95% of the people want something and will pay money for it, but the thing does not occur because of this problem.) And there are way more consequential examples.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Jon_Hodl 17 Jun
Yes. There’s a good number of things that already are paid for with voluntary service fees added by private entities but it would be nothing like our existing societies. The nation state cannot effectively be compared to a free society.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 16 Jun
If it has protection from roving bandits, sure.
Taxes are the slow looting of a stationary bandit that protects its turf against roving bandits. That's even the conventional mainstream account of how the state originated. It has nothing to do with collective action problems or social contracts.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker 16 Jun
The US didn't have a federal personal income tax until 1913
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Akg10s3 16 Jun
Yes, it's possible!!
But that government or society must embrace Bitcoin and leave fiat money aside!!
In order to live with true financial freedom!!
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @Scoresby 16 Jun
How would bitcoin help a society avoid taxes?
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