I have made another post about this subject. It is an article that I would like to refer you to: #864172. this may help with the problem of evidence.

Which is your favorite Science Fiction series? Part IV

Which series of Science Fiction books do like the best? This is part four of the polls to find the most favored series. We are looking at a series of at least two or three books. There are many series out there and I could only list a few. I must admit that I have not read all of these. Especially non-English writers’ series. If you have others, not listed please put them in comments. I will add them to later polls. I will publish the results after the poll closes.

RIFTERS TRILOGY BY PETER WATTS. 0.0% COMPANY WARS SERIES BY C.J. CHERRYH. 14.3% OLD MAN’S WAR SERIES BY JOHN SCALZI. 0.0% ROBOT SERIES BY ISAAC ASIMOV. 57.1% AGENT CORMAC SERIES BY NEAL ASHER. 0.0% PARADOX SERIES BY RACHEL BACH. 0.0% IMPERIAL RADCH BY ANN LECKIE. 0.0% SAND SERIES BY HUGH HOWEY. 28.6% CHRONICLES OF THE LENSMEN BY “DOC” SMITH. 0.0% THE GAP CYCLE BY STEPHEN DONALDSON. 0.0% 7 votes \ poll ended

Yes, and the lumber and the car parts and the wheat and anything else to not help the imperialist American running dogs. Withering into a raisin like a grape on the grapevine is an awesome idea.

OK, I understand you! Neuron count makes intelligence and sentience! There is not any quantitative evidence because this is not a quantitative situation, it is qualitative. If you are looking for quantitative, mathematical, numerical, physical evidence, perhaps you are looking in the wrong place. Again, the paradigm blinds.

The evidence is all around you all the time. The current paradigm is what is blinding you with fetters on your perception. For instance, where is your cutoff for sentience and intelligence? Are cetaceans sentient and intelligent? Are squirrels? Are we?

That is raw excitement for the kids!! They love it, don’t they?

YES, LET’S CANCEL HIM, LET’S CENSOR HIM, LET’S EXCLUDE HIM, immediately. When will people ever learn that this sort of isht never works. If you do not like what someone says, DON’T READ IT. The choice to be offended is always yours, but if you look around for the offensive, don’t be surprised when you are offended. People talk isht all the time, thicken up that skin, you don’t have to do what he says.

You are not taking into consideration other aspects of being human. It is not all circuits and models that make sentience or, if you like, intelligence. There is much more to us than just “wet-ware”. I don’t think that machines will ever have those parts that exist apart from the “wet-ware”. When you make the argument that A=B and B=C, therefore A=C, you have to make sure that, indeed, A=B and B=C.

Yep, also too big to fall.

Naah, it is already done, it is just hidden from the plebes.

I don’t have much face-to-face contacts, lately. Only online and on telephone. I only wish I could do more like this, because I also like to make trouble.

So, no, my salesmanship doesn’t help much nowadays.

It won’t understand anything, it is just a collection of lines of code. No intelligence, only what the programmer tells it to do, even if the programmer is itself.

This is a very nice compendium of what people have been saying online for years, now. ”The Plan”, who trusts the plan. It sounds just like another way to entrap us in the matrix. If you want to do something about anything, YOU have to do it, not some planner or other person, just YOU. Be the change in the world that you want! Do your shadow work.

Some may even be in their 70s and 80s!! You can never tell just by the posts.

LLMs are just statistical aligners of words. Anybody thinking there is intelligence there is loopy, IMHO. They can put sentences and ideas together, but is there any originality to any of it? Maybe only what is put into the training by the human trainers and, so far, it is nicely biased.

I think you are right. I think it will get more than just a little weird but the whole barrel full of weird, especially if AI gets into humanoid robots.

I think it is looking better and better for that. I just have to live to see it, is all.

Just remember that every “No”that you hear brings you that much closer to your great, “Yes”!

I got my first sales job not long after I got discharged. It was with a great sales company that had the best training in the industry (Insurance). The problem was that the company wanted you to sell whole life insurance policies at the time when people were making the big switch to term life. It was brutal, but the training was great.

That sounds more and more likely with China putting out its cheap new open source AI that is very resource conserving! Maybe we will all have our personal AI assistants or whatever all the time.

I think I will be flying around in my anti-gravity spaceship/RV that uses zero point energy to get around and living somewhere that I can grow my own food, year round. Travelling around as I wish and visiting the moons of Saturn or maybe even a few other stars. That is if I am not taking a dirt-nap by then!

Yeah, I saw someone else had posted it when I was halfway through posting it and reading it to find the core nut. @Roll posted it about 13 minutes before I did but did his usual job on it, so I decided I had enough value added to post over him without compunctions.

The lecture was really amazing! It tore down mainstream economics in the best way possible and gave reasons why praxeology is the true economic science.