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I don't have to leave. I can just liberate my own territory from the state. 1776 will commence again.
No, you are an incessant hypocrit, complaining about government 'theft' but nevertheless clinging like a baby to the teat of safety, comfort, wealth and security that the state provides you.
The state gave me a $1,000 stimmy check. Bitcoin tripled my life savings in a matter of years. The market treats me better. The state hates me. It hates everyone.
Governments exist due to market demand - they provide services people want - humans are weak and vulnerable individually and need the legal, property ownership and security framework that governments provide.
Taxation is not a response to market demand, it's negation of market demand.
If the Japanese government demanded you pay them taxes, you wouldn't like it. But if your own government does the same thing, you think it's going to a good cause? Taking your money is the cause. Everything else is rationalization and propaganda.
Socialism makes healthcare more affordable
Of course it does. If I steal your money, then I can afford my healthcare. Socialism makes everything free.
Oh but I can't steal it, can I? Because your preferred currency was invented by libertarians, not the state.
Oh please. Statism is the least organic most inhuman aspect of life. At the end of the day it's just a guy with a gun trying to take my money like any other gang.
Get on your knees and BEG Uncle Sam - you cannot fight a serious war without rare earths and so for the next decade you are Chinas subservient vassal lapdog.
Don't even worry about us. China can defend itself from the communists.
People organise into groups/states in order to gain security from other groups and to advance the interests of their group.
The state wasn't made by a collective negotiation. It's one gang that killed off all the other gangs. You seem to think that whoever wins is somehow entitled to all the protection fees that they keep charging long after the war is over.
And I still don't see why you think statism is necessary to mine rare earth minerals. If there's a demand then the market will work to fulfill it. If the state is artificially subsidizing it, then it's overriding what people are actually demanding.
The state does not care about property rights. The whole use case of a state is to violate property rights.
Nation states have unique powers and mandates to organise certain things because it advances the interests of their citizens in a way that free markets cannot.
The state's definition of the "interests" of citizens is not how citizens would define their own interests. The free market allows them to pursue what they decide is important. The state exists to override public opinion with violence.
Yes, because cooperation can exist outside of the state. So what's the point of statism if we can work together without the state?
Am not here for the Libertarian circle jerking echo chamber
Sorry to inform you, but when you use Bitcoin, that makes you an active participant in THE libertarian circle jerking echo chamber. Unless you plan to donate your BTC to the state, you've tacitly surrendered to libertarian economic philosophy by placing your own wealth outside the reach of collectivism.
You act like Mao had any kind of strategy besides killing everyone. He did the same thing every government does when there's no separation of economy and state.
the requirement then was to resist the threats from the west to remove the CCP by force or subterfuge
It's not a threat. It's an offer to help. Allying with the communists is a choice.
And you cannot give any example ever in human history of any nation or economy where the government has not been a fundamental factor in the wealth and success of that economy- because there are none!
I don't think you've shown me an example where government has contributed to economic success. Your chart shows China is about 50 years behind where it would be if Mao hadn't spent decades wasting everyone's time with government regulations.
Really? Sophisticated networks of electricity? The PRC's sole ally is a black hole.
Governments didn't invent the internet. The internet is a private sector invention (as are all inventions) and governments have done nothing but attack it since its inception.
You conceded that a thing does not need a government subsidy in order to exist. Everything that exists without government commanding it to exist is the example.
it is also true that a nation NEVER grew wealthy without the intricate involvement of the government working with and supporting business
Of course they did. The wealth is built first. Government meddling comes after. The "legal framework and security" is formed from a negotiation between external gangs. It doesn't exist as a benefit for the businesses doing the work. Bitcoin offers enough of a framework without statist harassment.
(it has to be done with skill and integrity)
This is ridiculous. The state's entire use case is to attack, rob, and kill the people who have skills other than violence. Succeeding in the extortion industry means you have the least integrity of anyone.
I understand perfectly what you mean by mixed economy. It means sometimes you beat up people for money, and sometimes you leave them alone so they can make money that you can hustle from them later. Every state is a mixed economy because if everyone was dead there would be nothing left to steal, so of course you have to mix in some peaceful capitalism with whatever statist scheme you want to play.
There's no such thing as collective ownership of wealth. Any given fraction of wealth can only be owned by one person at a time. If the government takes money from me, that makes them richer and it makes me poorer. Nothing they do or what I would have done with the money is relevant to the rights violation taking place at that moment.
America's decline proves my point anyway because it's entirely the fault of FDR and his party's economic interventionism. America got rich while it was being corrupted with socialism, coincidentally, because of geographic luck and historical timing. A mixed economy isn't what caused it to be rich. It caused it to be poorer than it otherwise would have been.
Gang violence doesn't make a country rich. One big gang monopolizing all the violence also does not make the country rich. The whole industry of involuntary theft is always a net negative unless you're in on the racket or too stupid to know it's a racket.
If I raid your house at gunpoint and claim to own the kitchen, and I make you cook free dinner for me, the quality of the dinner is besides the point.
And when you say "enabling" all that means is allowing other people to work instead of harassing them with regulations and death camps. The government itself did nothing to manage the electrical grid. They don't know how. All the actual work is done in the private sector and the government's only tool is murderous threats.
A person can only specialize in one industry. The expert at navigating communist bureaucracy does not understand nuclear power. You add no value to the process by adding the step of requiring the government's approval. It's not about whether they approve the project or not. The problem is that the experts on violence and theft own the electric grid instead of engineers.
The Chinese use scale and government planning to build 12 new nuclear plants based on improved blueprints sourced from the west while the USA struggles to complete one new nuclear plant and that one plant will cost 4x more than the Chinese ones which are also built far quicker.
So in the US case, the government interferes, and in China the government allows the market to build? Proving my point. The less government intervention the better.
挖個礦有什麼關系?you think no one can mine minerals unless some government employee is giving orders and extorting the people doing the actual work??